Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:20:34

Author: --- "Zani, Gerald"

Subject: Re: Migrating from PC to Mac

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Tappers,

Thanks for all the advice!

And I suspected that with this question I would hear some happiness coming
loud and clear from Urs!


Another mild Winter day here with temperatures well above the average and
no snow on the ground.
- Jerry

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Urs Lauterburg <
urs.lauterburg@space.unibe.ch> wrote:

> Terry,
>
> As a LabVIEW for physics person who has been working with nothing else
> than Apple computers since 1986 for mostly everything, I do confirm that
> the hardware driver variety for LabVIEW for native MacOSX has degraded from
> originally full featured support to a minimal one today. However, to be
> fair I have to also say that NI has always supported the Mac platform
> without interruption troughout all these years and still supports the Mac
> despite the fact that MS-Windows has somehow won over MacOS in the domain
> of data acquisition engineering.
>
> In my case I have up until now always been able to get by with native
> LabVIEW for MacOS. Actually, I am presently using the most advanced LabVIEW
> 2011 PDS with the DAQmx Base driver 3.4 and NI-GPIB 488 on Mac Pro
> workstations for lecture demonstrations as well as in our student labs.
> Because DAQmx Base for MacOSX does not support the entire NI hardware
> palette, I always made sure that I used hardware that was supported. In
> fact NI always supported the NI-PCIe-6251, the DAQ board we most frequently
> use at our place. Nevertheless, even though we have tried to convince NI to
> add support for their most recent X-series DAQ-devices they argued that due
> to a lack of demand for them to be used on the Mac platform they decided to
> wait with that. Apparently they would do it if a customer decides to
> purchase a considerable quantity of hardware to be used natively on the Mac.
>
> Therefore if you are interested in continued native driver support for
> LabVIEW for MacOSX don't let them just direct you to use the Bootcamp dual
> boot capability. You certainly don't want to work within a MS-Windows
> system if you work on a Mac, because that's simply not the reason for
> having a Mac. Ask for better native DAQ driver support. Through contacts I
> know that there are forces within NI that would like to see the full
> featured DAQmx driver to be ported to MacOSX as well. After all what use is
> the most modern LabVIEW professional development system without sufficient
> hardware drivers?
>
> Please help us LabVIEWers on the Mac by making it a point to NI that it is
> important that they continue to offer good solutions for native MacOSX. The
> only way to achieve this is by constantly requesting solutions for this
> domain and to go for it too.
>
> Now, after this, finally my comment to Jerry Z.: Good way to go! Even if
> you encounter occasional bumps with the transition you will most probably
> not regret it in the long run (better soft- and hardware integration and
> simpler user experience on rock solid UNIX based MacOSX).
>
> Regards to all of you performers of physics out there
>
> Urs
>
> Urs Lauterburg
> Physics demonstrator
> Physikalisches Institut
> University of Bern
> Switzerland
>
>
> Am 15.02.2012 um 16:13 schrieb J. Terrence Klopcic:
>
> Jerry,
>>
>> We here at Kenyon have begun checking out MacBooks to our Sophomore
>> Physics majors which they use in Computational Physics (UNIX/Linux based OS
>> is a plus) and then keep in order to have their accumulated computational
>> tools until graduation. We immediately ran into a problem with LabVIEW:
>> National Instruments provides very spotty support for Macs; e.g. they do
>> not provide drivers for much of the NI equipment, including the
>> USB-connected 6221 A/D device which we use. Our solution (actually first
>> suggested by an NI engineer) was to dual-boot the MacBooks: Using
>> Bootcamp, the MacBooks that we issue have both a Mac and a Windows
>> partition.
>>
>> So far, it's working well - although students do have to use an external
>> drive or, more usually, a central server to pass data from one partition to
>> the other.
>>
>> That does bring up another problem with MacBooks and possibly other Macs;
>> viz: they do not have many ports, certainly not the "legacy" ports such as
>> RS-232 nor many USB ports. We have gotten around that by using USB devices
>> exclusively and, when needed, using USB hubs and converters.
>>
>> Enjoy.
>>
>> Terry
>>
>> J. Terrence Klopcic, PhD
>> Director of Laboratories
>> Departments of Physics and Mathematics
>> Kenyon College
>>
>> ~ No trees were harmed in the sending of this e-mail; however, a large
>> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/15/2012 7:36 AM, Zani, Gerald wrote:
>>
>>> Tappers,
>>>
>>> I am considering migrating from PC to Mac.
>>>
>>> My understanding is that most external devices and most file types can
>>> be interchangeable - The Pasco Datastudio, The Ocean Optics Spectasuite can
>>> be used with either a PC or Mac. Correct? And that Microsoft Word
>>> documents and Powerpoint files will work with PC and Mac. Yes?
>>>
>>> What are pitfalls, if any?
>>>
>>> I know that windows wave movies .wmv formats will not work with the Mac.
>>> Are movie file types the only major incompatibility between the two
>>> platforms?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> - Jerry
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gerald Zani
>>> Demonstration Manager
>>> Physics
>>> Brown University
>>> (401) 863-3964
>>>
>>>
>


--
Gerald Zani
Demonstration Manager
Physics
Brown University
(401) 863-3964

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Tappers,Thanks for all the advice!And I suspected that with=
this question I would hear some happiness coming loud and clear from Urs!<=
br>Another mild Winter day here with temperatures well above the av=
erage and no snow on the ground.

- JerryOn Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:00 PM,=
Urs Lauterburg wrote:

Terry,

As a LabVIEW for physics person who has been working with nothing else than=
Apple computers since 1986 for mostly everything, I do confirm that the ha=
rdware driver variety for LabVIEW for native MacOSX has degraded from origi=
nally full featured support to a minimal one today. However, to be fair I h=
ave to also say that NI has always supported the Mac platform without inter=
ruption troughout all these years and still supports the Mac despite the fa=
ct that MS-Windows has somehow won over MacOS in the domain of data acquisi=
tion engineering.



In my case I have up until now always been able to get by with native LabVI=
EW for MacOS. Actually, I am presently using the most advanced LabVIEW 2011=
PDS with the DAQmx Base driver 3.4 and NI-GPIB 488 on Mac Pro workstations=
for lecture demonstrations as well as in our student labs. Because DAQmx B=
ase for MacOSX does not support the entire NI hardware palette, I always ma=
de sure that I used hardware that was supported. In fact NI always supporte=
d the NI-PCIe-6251, the DAQ board we most frequently use at our place. Neve=
rtheless, even though we have tried to convince NI to add support for their=
most recent X-series DAQ-devices they argued that due to a lack of demand =
for them to be used on the Mac platform they decided to wait with that. App=
arently they would do it if a customer decides to purchase a considerable q=
uantity of hardware to be used natively on the Mac.



Therefore if you are interested in continued native driver support for LabV=
IEW for MacOSX don't let them just direct you to use the Bootcamp dual =
boot capability. You certainly don't want to work within a MS-Windows s=
ystem if you work on a Mac, because that's simply not the reason for ha=
ving a Mac. Ask for better native DAQ driver support. Through contacts I kn=
ow that there are forces within NI that would like to see the full featured=
DAQmx driver to be ported to MacOSX as well. After all what use is the mos=
t modern LabVIEW professional development system without sufficient hardwar=
e drivers?



Please help us LabVIEWers on the Mac by making it a point to NI that it is =
important that they continue to offer good solutions for native MacOSX. The=
only way to achieve this is by constantly requesting solutions for this do=
main and to go for it too.



Now, after this, finally my comment to Jerry Z.: Good way to go! Even if yo=
u encounter occasional bumps with the transition you will most probably not=
regret it in the long run (better soft- and hardware integration and simpl=
er user experience on rock solid UNIX based MacOSX).



Regards to all of you performers of physics out there

Urs

Urs Lauterburg
Physics demonstrator
Physikalisches Institut
University of Bern
Switzerland


Am 15.02.2012 um 16:13 schrieb J. Terrence Klopcic:


Jerry,

We here at Kenyon have begun checking out MacBooks to our Sophomore Physics=
majors which they use in Computational Physics (UNIX/Linux based OS is a p=
lus) and then keep in order to have their accumulated computational tools u=
ntil graduation. =A0We immediately ran into a problem with LabVIEW: =A0Nati=
onal Instruments provides very spotty support for Macs; =A0e.g. they do not=
provide drivers for much of the NI equipment, including the USB-connected =
6221 A/D device which we use. =A0Our solution (actually first suggested by =
an NI engineer) was to dual-boot the MacBooks: =A0Using Bootcamp, the MacBo=
oks that we issue have both a Mac and a Windows partition.



So far, it's working well - although students do have to use an externa=
l drive or, more usually, a central server to pass data from one partition =
to the other.

That does bring up another problem with MacBooks and possibly other Macs; v=
iz: they do not have many ports, certainly not the "legacy" ports=
such as RS-232 nor many USB ports. =A0We have gotten around that by using =
USB devices exclusively and, when needed, using USB hubs and converters.



Enjoy.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Terry

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0J. Terrence Klopcic, PhD
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Director of Laboratories
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Departments of Physics and Mathematics
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Kenyon College

~ No trees were harmed in the sending of this e-mail; however, a large numb=
er of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. ~




On 2/15/2012 7:36 AM, Zani, Gerald wrote:

Tappers,

I am considering migrating from PC to Mac.

My understanding is that most external devices and most file types can be i=
nterchangeable - The Pasco Datastudio, The Ocean Optics Spectasuite can be =
used with either a PC or Mac. Correct? =A0And that Microsoft Word documents=
and Powerpoint files will work with PC and Mac. =A0Yes?



What are pitfalls, if any?

I know that windows wave movies .wmv formats will not work with the Mac.
Are movie file types the only major incompatibility between the two platfor=
ms?


Thanks,
- Jerry

--
Gerald Zani
Demonstration Manager
Physics
Brown University
(401) 863-3964



-- Gerald ZaniDemonstr=
ation ManagerPhysicsBrown University(401) 863-3964

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