Date: Thu Oct 8 22:54:57 2009

Author: Sam Sampere

Subject: Re: UM Intercollegiate Athletics

Post:

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You are correct. I have grown to be judgemental about them. I guess watchin=
g them change over the years, and the absurd amount of money and resources =
has made me that way. I used to love college football, even more than the N=
FL.

I followed baseball until the strike way back when and never got back into =
it. I don't even know who's in the playoffs now. My Sundays used to be spen=
t in front of the TV watching the NFL. Now I can't remember the last time =
I watched a complete game.

I still watch college basketball and love lacrosse. Oh well.

When players are with their teammates and one acts up and their teammates d=
on't say anything, then the whole team looks bad. It's that simple. Usually=
, they are quite nice when they aren't around their teammates. I can't expl=
ain this mob mentality.

Anyway, I have a section meeting to finish up...

Sam


________________________________
From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu [tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On Behalf Of =
Karen Matsler [kjmatsler@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 7:15 PM
To: tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: [tap-l] UM Intercollegiate Athletics

OK I have been quietly following this strand (with the exception of the thi=
ngs I said to Sam) and feel it is about time to stand up for the athletes. =
First of all, why do we expect the athletes to ALL be polite, smart, court=
eous, etc? Do they have to live up to a standard that is higher than every=
one else? I don't think so, they are just like everyone else except they h=
ave athletic ability. That ability is allowing them to get an education th=
at they probably would not have otherwise....so good for them, at least the=
y are partially educated and maybe can help carry the burden of society (pa=
rticularly if they become pros).
Do we run (pun intended) into rude people all the time at the grocery store=
, gas station, etc? Yes, but we don't categorically say everyone at the gro=
cery store is "low class" or rude or stupid, etc.
I see people on TV all the time that are stupid...just look at the Jay Leno=
show. He has no problem finding people off the street that don't know a t=
hing, but he doesn't say "are you an athlete? if so then you probably can't=
answer this question."
Yes I live in the bible belt of football. Yes I am married to a football c=
oach. Yes I love watching a good football or basketball game. But in all =
my years of teaching (over 25) I would much rather have an athlete than a "=
normal" person in my class. At least I know of something that motivates th=
em. I can always turn physics into a sports question and I have their atte=
ntion and they want to learn it. That is not always the case with everyone=
.
Soooooo, from my perspective, these comments are just prejudiced.......try =
not to be so judgmental.
Karen Jo

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Sam Sampere > wrote:
Certain players on the BB team are rather obnoxious and rude.

I see these guys often because I run at the track at noontime. The players,=
depending on the season, typically cross our path. Some are polite. Others=
are extremely rude. Enough of them where it spoils my impression of the te=
am. And, how many interviews do you hear where the player seems to have a r=
easonable command of the English language...?

The last football coach, who was fired, really brought in a low class of at=
hlete. Or, they were turned low class while they were here.

Sam

-----Original Message-----
From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu [mailto=
:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On Behalf O=
f Jerry DiMarco
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:06 PM
To: tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: [tap-l] UM Intercollegiate Athletics


Finally getting around to responding to Sam's email. Yes there are
exceptions, and not all are due to the individuals involved. It also
matters who is at the top, and this includes the coach, athletic director,
president, trustees, etc.
A few years ago here, a former FB player was involved in a drug
related murder. Some people wanted heads to roll so the FB coach was
fired. Others thought it was unfair and that he was made a scapegoat. It
could be argued he was at least indirectly responsible because he sets
recruiting policy, but maybe he was also trying to help his recruits build
a better life. That's all past now. There is a new coach and additional
policies that get athletes involved in community service, and pair them
with faculty mentors. Problems seem to have diminished. So it really
matters who is at the helm. A case in point might be Syracuse's BB
team. Are they as bad as the FB players you cite?

=
Jerry


At 10/1/2009 10:52 PM, you wrote:
>Jerry Jerry Jerry,
>
>There was a time when the football players on campus were required to be
>polite, required to not only attend class, but also pass. Ok, sure, some
>of the stars back then took basketweaving, but I don't that that was the
>rule for the entire team.
>
>Now these guys are rude and obnoxious. And I'm guessing that a good
>percentage just made it out of high school, can't do 9th math or read 8th
>grade level material, but they're in college to play football and NOT for
>an education. Maybe they're here for an edumacation.
>
>Please don't take offense, there are acceptions to the rule. And I think
>the rules changed long ago...
>
>The root of the problem though is the system and NOT the kids. They are
>simply products of the system. The system sucks...
>
>Sam





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You are= correct. I have grown to be judgemental about them. I guess
watching them = change over the years, and the absurd amount of money
and resources has mad= e me that way. I used to love college football,
even more than the NFL.



I followed baseball until= the strike way back when and never got back
into it. I don't even know who= 's in the playoffs now. My Sundays used
to be spent in front of the T= V watching the NFL. Now I can't remember
the last time I watched a complete game.



I still watch college bas= ketball and love lacrosse. Oh well.



When players are with the= ir teammates and one acts up and their
teammates don't say anything, then t= he whole team looks bad. It's that
simple. Usually, they are quite nice whe= n they aren't around their
teammates. I can't explain this mob mentality.



Anyway, I have a section = meeting to finish up...



Sam





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*From:* tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu [t= ap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On
Behalf Of Karen Matsler [kjmatsler@gmail.com]=
*Sent:* Thursday, October 08, 2009 7:15 PM
*To:* tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu
*Subject:* Re: [tap-l] UM Intercollegiate Athletics



OK I have been quietly following this strand (with the exception of th=
e things I said to Sam) and feel it is about time to stand up for the
athle= tes. First of all, why do we expect the athletes to ALL be
polite, sm= art, courteous, etc? Do they have to live up to a standard
that is higher than everyone else? I don't thi= nk so, they are just
like everyone else except they have athletic ability.&= nbsp; That
ability is allowing them to get an education that they probably = would
not have otherwise....so good for them, at least they are partially
educated and maybe can help carry the burden o= f society (particularly
if they become pros).
Do we run (pun intended) into rude people all the time at the grocery
store= , gas station, etc? Yes, but we don't categorically say everyone
at the gro= cery store is "low class" or rude or stupid, etc.
I see people on TV all the time that are stupid...just look at the Jay
Leno= show. He has no problem finding people off the street that don't
kno= w a thing, but he doesn't say "are you an athlete? if so then you
prob= ably can't answer this question."
Yes I live in the bible belt of football. Yes I am married to a footb=
all coach. Yes I love watching a good football or basketball game.&nb=
sp; But in all my years of teaching (over 25) I would much rather have
an a= thlete than a "normal" person in my class. At least I know of
something that motivates them. I can always turn phy= sics into a
sports question and I have their attention and they want to lea= rn it.
That is not always the case with everyone.
Soooooo, from my perspective, these comments are just
prejudiced.......try = not to be so judgmental.
Karen Jo

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Sam Sampere <3D"mailto:smsamper@syr.edu">> wro= te:

Certain players on the BB team are rather obnoxious and rude.

I see these guys often because I run at the track at noontime. The
players,= depending on the season, typically cross our path. Some
are polite. Others= are extremely rude. Enough of them where it
spoils my impression of the te= am. And, how many interviews do you
hear where the player seems to have a reasonable command of the
Englis= h language...?

The last football coach, who was fired, really brought in a low
class of at= hlete. Or, they were turned low class while they were here.

Sam

-----Original Message-----
From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.= edu
<3D"mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu"> [mailto:tap-l-owner@l=
ists.ncsu.edu <3D"mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu">] On Behalf Of
Jerry DiMarco
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:06 PM
To: tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu <3D"mailto:tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu">
Subject: Re: [tap-l] UM Intercollegiate Athletics


Finally getting around to responding to Sam's email. &n=
bsp;Yes there are
exceptions, and not all are due to the individuals involved. It
also<= br> matters who is at the top, and this includes the coach,
athletic director,<= br> president, trustees, etc.
A few years ago here, a former FB player was involved i= n a drug
related murder. Some people wanted heads to roll so the FB coach
was<= br> fired. Others thought it was unfair and that he was made
a scapegoat.= It
could be argued he was at least indirectly responsible because he sets
recruiting policy, but maybe he was also trying to help his recruits
build<= br> a better life. That's all past now. There is a new
coach and ad= ditional
policies that get athletes involved in community service, and pair them
with faculty mentors. Problems seem to have diminished. So it r= eally
matters who is at the helm. A case in point might be Syracuse's BB
team. Are they as bad as the FB players you cite?

= ; &nb= sp;
&= nbsp; = Jerry


At 10/1/2009 10:52 PM, you wrote:
>Jerry Jerry Jerry,
>
>There was a time when the football players on campus were required
to b= e
>polite, required to not only attend class, but also pass. Ok, sure,
som= e
>of the stars back then took basketweaving, but I don't that that
was th= e
>rule for the entire team.
>
>Now these guys are rude and obnoxious. And I'm guessing that a good
>percentage just made it out of high school, can't do 9th math or
read 8= th
>grade level material, but they're in college to play football and
NOT f= or
>an education. Maybe they're here for an edumacation.
>
>Please don't take offense, there are acceptions to the rule. And I
thin= k
>the rules changed long ago...
>
>The root of the problem though is the system and NOT the kids. They
are=
>simply products of the system. The system sucks...
>
>Sam





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