Date: Tue Mar 10 13:47:22 2009 Back to Contents ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Author: Bill Norwood

Subject: Global Warming Science (Only)


Hi Taplers, and Keith

Yes, Keith, I agree,
(now that I have learned something of the economics and politics
and the position of the APS [thanks Matt Lowery]),
and that is why I am recommending
sticking with the science and re-naming this thread
as I am trying to do.

For Starters, as John Hubisz has informed us:
...Remember the satellite that fell in to the ocean near Antarctica recently
on launch? The reason for sending it was that we do not understand the
sources and sinks of CO2. We do not know the effect of clouds. We do not
know the effect of water vapor. What we do know about feedback is that the
Earth will moderate what ever happens. How can we believe climate
predictions 100 years into the future without this knowledge? ..."

And for Seconds we now have discussion about radioactive waste storage, an
extremely important topic very much laden with physics and inextricably
intertwined with politics and economics - we could just concentrate our
discussions more on the actual science I guess.

And For Thirds, as the locals report in the U of MD Diamondback:

Thirteen years ago, atmospheric and oceanic science professor Ross Salawitch
of U of MD College Park began to develop methods of measuring carbon dioxide
levels from space, via his (and collaborators') "Orbiting Carbon

2009 article:

2007 article:

-----Original Message-----
From: [] On
Behalf Of Keith Warren
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:57 PM
Subject: Please, no further postings on this topic: RE: [tap-l] Climate
Change - Is it Controversial?


This topic/argument comes up about once a year and my inbox fills up with
private complaints from members about off-topic posts. I would like to ask
that those of you who choose to continue this conversation to take it off of

Below is a copy of the email I sent last year regarding off-topic messages.
I understand that many of you do not agree with my request and you are
welcome to email me directly. I also understand that there will be times
when we do get off-topic and that is OK occasionally. If, however, it is a
hot topic (religion, politics, global warming, etc) it will do nothing other
than generate a ton of emails and cause members to leave the group in

Thanks all!

-------- previous email about off topic posts ------------
I want to personally thank all the wonderful members of this list for
contributing and generating some great conversations about demonstrations,
labs and outreach. This list was one of the first things I joined when I
entered the profession. From it I have made many friends and learned so

I would also like to remind everybody what the focus of TAP-L is and what it
is not. TAP-L was created by Andy Graham at Appalachian State University
about 20 years ago. At least I believe it was running then over bitnet. At
the time there was not a list for support specialist to discuss their trade
and TAP-L filled that niche nicely. Because there are other lists out there
that cover more diverse and general topics, Andy worked hard to ensure that
TAP-L stayed focused on its mission of labs, demos and outreach.

When he contacted me in 2006 asking me to take the system over, he said it
was because I had been involved indirectly and directly since its inception.
He said I understood the idea of TAP-L and would ensure that it stayed true
to its mission.

I want to send this email to remind everybody about the purpose of TAP-L.
Please do not send posts with discussions that have nothing to do with
demos, labs or outreach. Please refrain from such inappropriate posts and
seek other lists for those discussions. TAP-L's audience is for demos, labs
and outreach.

I am not sending this email to squash conversations as they are the
livelihood of this group. I am however just giving a simple reminder about
the purpose of our group and what is appropriate. I am not sending this
email in response to any recent posts. This is just something I have been
meaning to send for a while now.

Thanks again to all the wonderful people on TAP-L!

-Keith Warren

Keith Warren
Assistant Head and Sr Lecturer
Physics Department
North Carolina State University
(919) 513-2708
(919) 515-6538 fax
------------end previous email---------------------

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