Date: Wed Aug 8 07:46:03 2007

Author: Richard Heckathorn

Subject: Re: High Power or is it High Voltage.

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Greetings,

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My understanding

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The person on the ground is at zero potential
relative to the ground before getting on the
helicopter which is at the same potential.

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If the helicopter and the person acquires any
charge in flight there will be zero potential
difference between the person and the helicopter.

=20

When the person gets close to the high voltage
line, a pointed object is pointed at the line. The
spark indicates that charge is flowing to/from the
outside of the person and the helicopter depending
whether the wire will give electrons or need
electrons.

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In time, the person, helicopter and wire have
identical potential (i.e. there is no potential
difference between them. Thus the person can move
from the helicopter with no additional flow of
electrons.

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I would have liked to see a video of the
helicopter returning to pick up the person. I
would think a pointed object would have to be used
to bring them up to equal potential.

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(I recall touching a hotel room door with my hand
on a cold winter day with my hand jumping due to
the muscle contraction. If I then repeated
touching the door with a coin between my fingers,
no muscle contraction occurred. What would happen
to the person's muscles if they pointed their
finger at the wire to reduce the potential
difference.)

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Now when a bird lands on a high voltage wire,
changes will move until the bird and wire are at
the same potential. How many charges will move
from one to the other? Would not the surface area
of the bird be a factor? Do the pointed toes of
the bird come near the wire first resulting in a
small current, not one big zap? Do the feathers
provide an electrical insulation barrier to the
heart? Is the excess electrical charge on the
outside of the skin of the bird, or it feathers?

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Now if I just had a high voltage wire in a cage
with a bird in it, what would I observe? If it was
dark, could I see, photograph a visible spark
discharge?

=20

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Getting back to reality and the near real world in
which you and I navigate:



With a caption: I wonder if we should take the
wind into account?

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Dick

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Helping teachers who facilitate, motivating
students who learn.

Dick Heckathorn 14665 Pawnee Trail Middleburg
Hts, OH 44130 440-826-0834

www.cvcaroyals.org/~rheckathorn/

Adjunct Physics Teacher - Baldwin Wallace College

Physics is learning how to communicate with ones
environment so that it will talk back.

=20

=20

-----Original Message-----
From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu
[mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Jerry DiMarco
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 5:30 PM
To: tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: [tap-l] High Power or is it High
Voltage.

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At 8/7/200704:02 PM, you wrote:

>What is the potential difference between the legs
of the bird?

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I was referring to a sensation they might
feel when flying up to the=20

wire, sort of like when you bring a charged rod
close to your arm...

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>The spacing between wires is set greater in areas
where the birds have=20

>larger wingspans.

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They must not have done that here because
birds are still=20

dying. Maybe it's a really old line and this is
where they found out about=20

it...

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Jerry

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>John

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Greetings,



My understanding



The person on the ground is at zero potential relative to the =
ground before
getting on the helicopter which is at the same =
potential.



If the helicopter and the person acquires any charge in flight =
there
will be zero potential difference between the person and the =
helicopter.



When the person gets close to the high voltage line, a pointed =
object
is pointed at the line. The spark indicates that charge is flowing =
to/from the
outside of the person and the helicopter depending whether the wire will =
give electrons
or need electrons.



In time, the person, helicopter and wire have identical =
potential (i.e.
there is no potential difference between them. Thus the person can move =
from
the helicopter with no additional flow of electrons.



I would have liked to see a video of the helicopter returning to =
pick
up the person. I would think a pointed object would have to be used to =
bring
them up to equal potential.



(I recall touching a hotel room door with my hand on a cold =
winter day
with my hand jumping due to the muscle contraction. If I then repeated =
touching
the door with a coin between my fingers, no muscle contraction occurred. =
What
would happen to the person's muscles if they pointed their finger at the =
wire
to reduce the potential difference.)



Now when a bird lands on a high voltage wire, =
changes will
move until the bird and wire are at the same potential. How many charges =
will
move from one to the other? Would not the surface area of the bird be a =
factor?
Do the pointed toes of the bird come near the wire first resulting in a =
small
current, not one big zap? Do the feathers provide an electrical =
insulation
barrier to the heart? Is the excess electrical charge on the outside of =
the
skin of the bird, or it feathers?



Now if I just had a high voltage wire in a cage with a bird in =
it, what
would I observe? If it was dark, could I see, photograph a visible spark =
discharge?





Getting back to reality and the near real world in which you and =
I
navigate:



With a caption: I wonder if we should take the wind into =
account?



Dick





Helping teachers who facilitate, motivating =
students who
learn.

Dick Heckathorn 14665 Pawnee Trail
Middleburg Hts, OH 44130 440-826-0834

www.cvcaroyals.org/~rheckathorn/

Adjunct Physics Teacher - Baldwin Wallace =
College

Physics is learning how to communicate with ones environment so =
that it
will talk back.





-----Original Message-----
From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu [mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On =
Behalf
Of Jerry DiMarco
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 5:30 PM
To: tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: [tap-l] High Power or is it High Voltage.



At 8/7/200704:02 PM, you wrote:

>What is the potential difference between the legs of the =
bird?



I was referring to a sensation =
they
might feel when flying up to the

wire, sort of like when you bring a charged rod close to your =
arm...



>The spacing between wires is set greater in areas where the =
birds
have

>larger wingspans.



They must not have done that here
because birds are still

dying. Maybe it's a really old line and this is where they =
found
out about

it...



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bsp; &nb=
sp; &nbs=
p; =
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Jerry







>John









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