Date: Fri Aug 10 12:53:21 2007

Author: Bernard Cleyet

Subject: Re: Power

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Sorry! Dammed auto dictionary. That should be homophagia.

Used in the film "Soylent Green"

bc

Bernard Cleyet wrote:

>"You are right about the growing population problem, might we venture a
>modest proposal, too?"
>
>The last modest proposal, I read was homophobia. It applied to another rabbit like population.
>
>
>I've posted this before: Nearly every house in SoCal. desert communities had a roof water heater at the turn to the 20th cent; the piping of nat. gas removed them. I understand water heating is the most consuming of domestic energy. I suspect a switch would solve the shortage for a few years.
>
>Re. the pop. problem. Until it is no longer PIC the US will have this problem from immigration. viz. The kafuffle over a recent Sierra Club trustees vote.
>
>bc, has a problem w/ the Sierra Club.
>
>
>
>
> Chuck Patten wrote:
>
>>I respect your position, however conservation without keeping pace with the
>>demand caused by population growth internally and from external migration,
>>is self defeating. That is what has happened today. Supplies of energy
>>have not kept pace. Alternative sources are largely still fantasy. They
>>don't exist in large enough supply to really help. We all buy less power
>>hungry devices, lights, etc. That is conservation. Why are we still out of
>>power? Bigger profits for the energy companies if they don't have to build
>>fossil fueled power plants with the excuse that they are too expensive. And
>>when any half dozen twits can get together and find some weak minded judge
>>to issue an injunction requiring millions in 'studies', time 30 or 100 times
>>over every time a nuclear plant is proposed, the old and very young who
>>can't get enough power to stay cool die by the tens and hundreds all over
>>the world. In 10 years enough will die from excessive heat stress to match
>>9/11. Yet too few are willing to look at the safest power producing
>>industry and say "May I have some more, please"...
>>
>>You are right about the growing population problem, might we venture a
>>modest proposal, too?
>>
>>cheers,
>>chuck...
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu [mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On
>>Behalf Of Jerry DiMarco
>>Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:10 PM
>>To: tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu
>>Subject: Re: [tap-l] Power
>>
>> I don't think this is lost on those who fight nuclear power plants,
>>but apparently their arguments in support of alternatives, including
>>conservation, is not being remembered. Something else that has been
>>forgotten is the role that population plays. Our growing population is at
>>the heart of every environmental problem we face.
>> John, can you provide some documentation for the three claims that you
>>made in your message...
>>
>>
>>Jerry
>>
>>
>>At 8/8/200711:20 PM, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The inevitability of this is lost on those who fight against nuclear
>>>power plants. It serves us all right for being so stupid.
>>>
>>>cheers,
>>>chuck...
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu [mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On
>>>Behalf Of Bill Norwood
>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:11 PM
>>>To: tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu
>>>Subject: [tap-l] Power
>>>
>>>Hi Tappers,
>>>
>>>Are any of you hearing any of this...?
>>>
>>>Bill Norwood
>>>U of MD
>>>
>>>The regional electric grid operator, PJM, has called an emergency event
>>>and is asking everyone to reduce electric demand for the next 6-8
>>>hours. The University has committed to respond to these events, and
>>>asks that all non-critical electric loads be turned off until you are
>>>notified that the event has ended.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>>
>> Jerry DiMarco
>> Manager of Lecture Demonstrations and Instructional Labs
>> Montana State Univ., Physics Dept.
>>
>> Bozeman, MT
>>
>>Our Motto: "What would your mother do?"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Sorry!=C2=A0 Dammed auto dictionary.=C2=A0 That should be homophagia.=


Used in the film "Soylent Green"

bc

Bernard Cleyet wrote:



"You are right about the growing population problem, mig=
ht we venture a
modest proposal, too?"

The last modest proposal, I read was homophobia. It applied to another r=
abbit like population.


I've posted this before: Nearly every house in SoCal. desert communities=
had a roof water heater at the turn to the 20th cent; the piping of nat.=
gas removed them. I understand water heating is the most consuming of d=
omestic energy. I suspect a switch would solve the shortage for a few ye=
ars.

Re. the pop. problem. Until it is no longer PIC the US will have this p=
roblem from immigration. viz. The kafuffle over a recent Sierra Club tr=
ustees vote.

bc, has a problem w/ the Sierra Club.=20



Chuck Patten wrote:

I respect your position, however conservation without =
keeping pace with the
demand caused by population growth internally and from external migration=
,
is self defeating. That is what has happened today. Supplies of energy
have not kept pace. Alternative sources are largely still fantasy. They=

don't exist in large enough supply to really help. We all buy less power=

hungry devices, lights, etc. That is conservation. Why are we still out=
of
power? Bigger profits for the energy companies if they don't have to bui=
ld
fossil fueled power plants with the excuse that they are too expensive. =
And
when any half dozen twits can get together and find some weak minded judg=
e
to issue an injunction requiring millions in 'studies', time 30 or 100 ti=
mes
over every time a nuclear plant is proposed, the old and very young who=

can't get enough power to stay cool die by the tens and hundreds all over=

the world. In 10 years enough will die from excessive heat stress to mat=
ch
9/11. Yet too few are willing to look at the safest power producing
industry and say "May I have some more, please"...

You are right about the growing population problem, might we venture a
modest proposal, too?

cheers,
chuck...

-----Original Message-----
From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu [mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On
Behalf Of Jerry DiMarco
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:10 PM
To: tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: [tap-l] Power

I don't think this is lost on those who fight nuclear power plants,=

but apparently their arguments in support of alternatives, including
conservation, is not being remembered. Something else that has been
forgotten is the role that population plays. Our growing population is a=
t
the heart of every environmental problem we face.
John, can you provide some documentation for the three claims that =
you
made in your message...

=20
Jerry


At 8/8/200711:20 PM, you wrote:


The inevitability of this is lost on those who fight=
against nuclear=20
power plants. It serves us all right for being so stupid.

cheers,
chuck...


-----Original Message-----
From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu [mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On=20
Behalf Of Bill Norwood
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:11 PM
To: tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu
Subject: [tap-l] Power

Hi Tappers,

Are any of you hearing any of this...?

Bill Norwood
U of MD

The regional electric grid operator, PJM, has called an emergency event=20
and is asking everyone to reduce electric demand for the next 6-8=20
hours. The University has committed to respond to these events, and=20
asks that all non-critical electric loads be turned off until you are=20
notified that the event has ended.




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Jerry DiMarco
Manager of Lecture Demonstrations and Instructional Labs
Montana State Univ., Physics Dept.

Bozeman, MT

Our Motto: "What would your mother do?"=20









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