Date: Thu Jul 5 11:46:05 2007

Author: Perry Godwin

Subject: Re: Fwd: Job Opening Physics Lab Associate

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11 Anna,

What is the primary difference between instructors and technicians, at leas=
t in your department? Are you the one responsible for setting up demonstrat=
ions for other classes in addition to your own? How is your role with stude=
nts defined?

In my position, I am responsible for helping an instructor and their studen=
ts with a lab if so requested. But this is supposedly not considered studen=
t interaction for my job description. I also instruct faculty on the use of=
our equipment, as well as buy or develop demonstration equipment.

Perry Godwin
Physics Lab Technician
Lansing Community College
Email: godwip@lcc.edu
Tel: (517) 483-9653
Cell: (517) 927-2155
Pgr: (517) 232-0278
Fax: (517) 483-1003

From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu [mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On Beh=
alf Of Anna Kiefte Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 11:08 AM To: tap-l@lists.n=
csu.edu Subject: Re: [tap-l] Fwd: Job Opening Physics Lab Associate

Instructors are represented by the faculty union at this university. Techni=
cians are represented by another union, which also includes much of the cle=
rical and administrative staff. =


Anna Kiefte, Instructor
Acadia University Department of Physics P.O. Box 49 Wolfville, NS B4P 2R6
Phone: (902) 585-1274 Fax: (902) 585-1816
From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu [mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On Beh=
alf Of Perry Godwin Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 11:55 AM To: tap-l@lists.=
ncsu.edu Subject: Re: [tap-l] Fwd: Job Opening Physics Lab Associate

I agree. Unions are great - except of course when that union is ineffective=
, poorly organized, and not taken seriously by the college. For some reason=
, the Science Department lab technicians were moved from MAHE (the faculty =
union) into the PTCTU (Part-Time Clerical & Technical Union). I was not her=
e at LCC when this occurred, but the result was that the technicians who we=
re here at the time received a large pay cut! PTCTU is a union within the M=
ichigan Educational Association, which is a union within the National Educa=
tional Association.

I am curious to know. How many of you on this list are represented by a uni=
on?

Perry Godwin
Physics Lab Technician
Lansing Community College
Email: godwip@lcc.edu
Tel: (517) 483-9653
Cell: (517) 927-2155
Pgr: (517) 232-0278
Fax: (517) 483-1003

From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu [mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On Beh=
alf Of Bernard Cleyet Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 4:53 PM To: tap-l@lists.=
ncsu.edu Subject: Re: [tap-l] Fwd: Job Opening Physics Lab Associate

That's what unions are for. At UC we have the Research Professionals (RX un=
it) in UPTE (University Pro. and Tech. Employees, Local 9119 CWA) http://ww=
w.upte.org/ bc Perry Godwin wrote: =

Well, hopefully Loyola Marymount University has the decency to pay their Ph=
ysics Lab Associate a salary equivalent to their faculty and the skills and=
expertise they are asking for. My job has basically a similar job descript=
ion, except my position supposedly only requires an Associates degree and i=
s considered "regular part-time hourly" which means I am only supposed to w=
ork 30 hours a week. And I get paid the same rate as someone who starts wor=
k in a clerical position - $9.25 an hour. I love my job and am happy to be =
receiving a paycheck. I just wish I were making more money!

Perry Godwin
Physics Lab Technician
Lansing Community College
Email: godwip@lcc.edu
Tel: (517) 483-9653
Cell: (517) 927-2155
Pgr: (517) 232-0278
Fax: (517) 483-1003
=


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From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu [mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On Beh=
alf Of Vacek Miglus
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 12:50 PM
To: tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: [tap-l] Fwd: Job Opening Physics Lab Associate

Loyola Marymount University is looking for a:

Physics Major
computer geek
electrician
mechanic
machinist
cabinet maker
technical writer
public speaker
organizer and leader
all rolled into one.

They're not asking for much are they?

Do we all do that many things? I know, I know, Go to the Professional
Concerns meeting at Greensboro. ;-)

Vacek

Douglas Johnson wrote:

Loyola Marymount University has an immediate opening for a Laboratory
Associate. This position ensures the maintenance and functioning of all
equipment in the physics department.

Primary duties include set up in-class demonstrations and laboratory
experiments for faculty. Incumbent will train and supervise student
laboratory TAs, ensuring their familiarity with appropriate lab
equipment and safety procedures. Assist and provide service to physics
department faculty in the operation of all equipment. Assist faculty in
the development of new labs and in-class demonstrations. Support
students with class and research projects. Advise and assist faculty in
selecting new equipment and laboratories. Act as a liaison between the
Physics Department and Information Technology Department.

Loyola Marymount University shares in a rich intellectual heritage
fostered by the Jesuit and Marymount educational traditions and founded
on social justice and ethical values. Governed by an independent Board
of Trustees, LMU cherishes its Catholic identity while at the same time
welcoming people from diverse social, religious, and cultural
backgrounds. LMU is in Los Angeles, yet near the Pacific Ocean, offering
a dynamic cultural environment.

We seek candidates who typically possess a Bachelors degree in physics
or related field. A minimum of 2-3 years hands-on experience in a
(university) laboratory setting in combination with working knowledge of
introductory and advanced undergraduate laboratory equipment is
preferred. Working knowledge of office software applications (Microsoft
Office, Star Office, or similar). Familiarity with data acquisition
hardware and software (LabVIEW, DataStudio, or similar) is preferred.
Ability to troubleshoot and repair mechanical and electrical laboratory
equipment. Ability to operate both metalworking and woodworking
equipment. Exemplary communication skills (both written and oral)
evidenced by background in preparing comprehensive reports and executive
summaries incorporating complex, highly technical information. Highly
developed organizational and leadership skills are essential.

We offer a comprehensive benefits package and competitive salary.
Interested candidates must apply by submitting a cover letter, resume
and salary requirements online to http://jobs.lmu.edu (reference
#8-114). EOE.






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Anna,



What is the primary difference between=

instructors and technicians, at least in your department? Are you the one responsible for se=
tting
up demonstrations for other classes in addition to your own? How is your role with students def=
ined?



In my position, I am responsible for
helping an instructor and their students with a lab if so requested. Another of my job responsibilities=
is to
instruct faculty on the use of the lab equipment. I also have the responsibility to =
buy or
develop demonstration equipment which I then instruct the faculty as to the=

use.

But none of this is supposedly conside=
red sufficient
“student interaction” to qualify my position as “faculty.=
” Yet there is a category in the fac=
ulty
contract for “Instructional Lab Technician.” This designation is used to includ=
e the
math lab, reading lab, and electronic technology lab technicians under the
faculty contract. But those w=
ho
work in the Tutoring Dept. or the Academic
Resource Center
fall under the PTCTU contract. So,
as you can see, there is a bit of discrepancy concerning job classification=
s
here at LCC.





Perry Godwin

Phys=
ics
Lab Technician

Lansing Community College

Emai=
l: godwip@lcc.edu

Tel:=
(517)
483-9653

Cell=
:
(517) 927-2155

Pgr:=
(517)
232-0278

Fax:=
(517)
483-1003

=
=












From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu
[mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On =
Behalf
Of Anna Kiefte
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 200=
7
11:08 AM
To: tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: [tap-l] Fwd: Jo=
b
Opening Physics Lab Associate



=


Instructors are represented by the fac=
ulty
union at this university. Technicians are represented by another unio=
n,
which also includes much of the clerical and administrative staff.





Anna Kiefte, Instru=
ctor

Acadia University<=
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Department of Physics
P.O. Box 49
Wolfvill=
e,
NS
B4P 2R6


Phone: (902) 585-1274
Fax: (902) 585-1816











From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu
[mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On =
Behalf
Of Perry Godwin=

Sent: Thursday, July 05, 200=
7
11:55 AM
To: tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: [tap-l] Fwd: Jo=
b
Opening Physics Lab Associate



=


I agree. Unions are great - exce=
pt
of course when that union is ineffective, poorly organized, and not taken
seriously by the college. For some reason, the Science Department lab=

technicians were moved from MAHE (the faculty union) into the PTCTU (Part-T=
ime
Clerical & Technical Union). I was not here at LCC when this
occurred, but the result was that the technicians who were here at the time=

received a large pay cut! PTCTU is a union within the Michigan Educat=
ional
Association, which is a union within the National Educational Association.<=
o:p>



I am curious to know. How many o=
f
you on this list are represented by a union?





Perry
Godwin

Physics Lab Technicia=
n

Lansing
Community College=


Email: godwip@lcc.edu<=
/p>

Tel: (517) 483-9653

Cell: (517) 927-2155<=
/span>

Pgr: (517) 232-0278

Fax: (517) 483-1003

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From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu
[mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On =
Behalf
Of Bernard Cleyet
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007=
4:53
PM
To: tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: [tap-l] Fwd: Jo=
b
Opening Physics Lab Associate



=


=
That's what unions are for. At UC we have =
the
Research Professionals (RX unit) in UPTE (University Pro. and Tech.
Employees, Local 9119 CWA)

http://www.upte.org/


bc

Perry Godwin wrote:

Well, hopefully Loyola Marymount University has the decency to pay =
their Physics Lab Associate a salary equivalent to their faculty and the sk=
ills and expertise they are asking for. My job has basically a simila=
r job description, except my position supposedly only requires an Associate=
s degree and is considered "regular part-time hourly" which means=
I am only supposed to work 30 hours a week. And I get paid the same =
rate as someone who starts work in a clerical position - $9.25 an hour.&nbs=
p; I love my job and am happy to be receiving a paycheck. I just wish=
I were making more money!Perry Godwin<=
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size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New">Lansing Community College=
Loyola Marymount Universit=
y is looking for a:=
Loyola Marymount Universit=
y has an immediate opening for a LaboratoryLoyola Marymount Universit=
y shares in a rich intellectual heritage

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