Date: Thu Apr 19 08:55:24 2007

Author: Dan Beeker

Subject: Re: music pipes

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Dick,
=20
I am setting up a site for streaming to be used with our undergraduate =
labs.
If no one else steps forward I would be glad to post the talks if
permissions are given.
=20
Dan

Dan Beeker
Undergraduate Physics Lab Coordinator

Swain West 115
Physics Department, Indiana University
727 E. 3rd Street
Bloomington, IN 47405
Phone: (812) 855-5903
Fax (812) 855-5533
debeeker@indiana.edu=20

-----Original Message-----
From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu [mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On
Behalf Of Richard Heckathorn
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:43 AM
To: tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: [tap-l] music pipes



Greetings,

=20

Brian Holmes spoke to the Ohio Section of AAPT which I videoed. He also =
had
a section in the afternoon. At the present time, I am converting the VHS =
to
DVD format. His topic was: "The Physics of Brass Musical Instruments".

=20

When done, I can make some copies and make them available. Or, is there
someone who has the ability to make it available on the web?

=20

Does anyone know Brian's email address so I could ask his permission to =
do
this?

=20

An alternative. I plan to go to AAPT meeting this summer and could bring
copies then.

=20

=20

Dick

=20

=20

Helping teachers who facilitate, motivating students who learn.

Dick Heckathorn 14665 Pawnee Trail Middleburg Hts, OH 44130 =
440-826-0834

www.cvcaroyals.org/~rheckathorn/

Adjunct Physics Teacher - Baldwin Wallace College

Physics is learning how to communicate with ones environment so that it =
will
talk back.

=20

=20

-----Original Message-----
From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu [mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On
Behalf Of Bernard Cleyet
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:35 PM
To: tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu
Cc: Brian Holmes; Nancy Seese
Subject: Re: [tap-l] music pipes

=20

Evidentially none of you are Californians. A faculty member of San Jose =


State U. is an accomplished horn player, composer, and Physics Prof. He =


has given at least two (that I attended) "papers" on horns. One a joint =


SoCal / Nor CAl and rather recently a NCN meeting.

=20

I videoed the recent one (unfortunately incomplete, as I used a limited=20

memory combination camera) and will send on demand a DVD of it. He=20

dealt w/ some of the issues in this thread. I hope this is OK W/ Dr.=20

Holmes. (CC'd)

=20

=20

http://www.ncnaapt.org/archives/spring2006/spring2006prog.html=20

=20

=20

=20

bc, thought these question were well dealt w/ in all modern Physics of=20

music texts beginning w/ Backus' "Acoustical Foundations of Music".

=20

Dan Beeker wrote:

=20

>My two bits worth. Being a horn player, albeit mediocre, I would have =
to
say

>that looking at wind musical instruments as simple open/closed pipes is

>doing your students a great injustice. At least for the horn, they are

>anything but simple. They are complex acoustic systems. They can be

>simplified and the physics behind them can be explained in simple terms =
but

>to call them simple open/closed pipes does little to help students

>understand where their resonances come from. That doesn't mean you =
can't

>teach they have resonance similar to a closed pipe but the physics opf =
why

>is competely different. No time to explain now (workshop to do in two
days),

>but I have seen several good sites on the web. It is okay to say they =
look

>like closed pipe resonances but I would emphasize look like, not "are". =
I

>won't say how much confusion it causes to twach something that is =
blatently

>wrong. Most musical instruments are not simple pipes and to pretend =
they
are

>only causes confusion to those who wish to know more.

>

>Dan Beeker

>Undergraduate Physics Lab Coordinator

>

>Swain West 115

>Physics Department, Indiana University

>727 E. 3rd Street

>Bloomington, IN 47405

>

> =20

>

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Dick,

I am=20
setting up a site for streaming to be used with our undergraduate labs. =
If no=20
one else steps forward I would be glad to post the talks if permissions =
are=20
given.

Dan
Dan BeekerUndergraduate Physics Lab =
CoordinatorSwain=20
West 115Physics Department, Indiana University727 E. 3rd=20
StreetBloomington, IN 47405Phone: (812) 855-5903Fax (812)=20
855-5533debeeker@indiana.edu


-----Original Message-----From:=20
tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu [mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On =
Behalf Of=20
Richard HeckathornSent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:43=20
AMTo: tap-l@lists.ncsu.eduSubject: Re: [tap-l] =
music=20
pipes

Greetings,

Brian Holmes spoke to the Ohio Section of =
AAPT which I=20
videoed. He also had a section in the afternoon. At the present time, =
I am=20
converting the VHS to DVD format. His topic was: "The Physics of Brass =
Musical=20
Instruments".

When done, I can make some copies and make =
them=20
available. Or, is there someone who has the ability to make it =
available on=20
the web?

Does anyone know Brianís email address =
so I could ask=20
his permission to do this?

An alternative. I plan to go to AAPT meeting =
this=20
summer and could bring copies then.


Dick


Helping teachers who =
facilitate,=20
motivating students who learn.
Dick Heckathorn 14665 =
Pawnee=20
Trail Middleburg Hts, OH 44130 440-826-0834
www.cvcaroyals.org/~rheckathorn/
Adjunct Physics Teacher - Baldwin Wallace=20
College
Physics is learning how to communicate with =
ones=20
environment so that it will talk back.


-----Original Message-----From:=20
tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu [mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On =
Behalf Of=20
Bernard CleyetSent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:35 PMTo:=20
tap-l@lists.ncsu.eduCc: Brian Holmes; Nancy SeeseSubject: Re: =
[tap-l]=20
music pipes

Evidentially none of you are =
Californians. A=20
faculty member of San Jose
State U. is an accomplished horn player, =
composer, and=20
Physics Prof. He
has given at least two (that I attended) =
"papers" on=20
horns. One a joint
SoCal / Nor CAl and rather recently a NCN=20
meeting.

I videoed the recent one (unfortunately =
incomplete, as=20
I used a limited
memory combination camera) and will send on =
demand a=20
DVD of it. He
dealt w/ some of the issues in this =
thread. I=20
hope this is OK W/ Dr.
Holmes. (CC'd)


h=
ttp://www.ncnaapt.org/archives/spring2006/spring2006prog.html=20




bc, thought these question were well dealt =
w/ in all=20
modern Physics of
music texts beginning w/ Backus' "Acoustical =

Foundations of Music".

Dan Beeker wrote:

>My two bits worth. Being a horn player, =
albeit=20
mediocre, I would have to say
>that looking at wind musical instruments =
as simple=20
open/closed pipes is
>doing your students a great injustice. =
At least=20
for the horn, they are
>anything but simple. They are =
complex=20
acoustic systems. They can be
>simplified and the physics behind them =
can be=20
explained in simple terms but
>to call them simple open/closed pipes =
does little=20
to help students
>understand where their resonances come =
from. That=20
doesn't mean you can't
>teach they have resonance similar to a =
closed pipe=20
but the physics opf why
>is competely different. No time to =
explain now=20
(workshop to do in two days),
>but I have seen several good sites on =
the web. It=20
is okay to say they look
>like closed pipe resonances but I would =
emphasize=20
look like, not "are". I
>won't say how much confusion it causes =
to twach=20
something that is blatently
>wrong. Most musical instruments are not =
simple=20
pipes and to pretend they are
>only causes confusion to those who wish =
to know=20
more.
>
>Dan Beeker
>Undergraduate Physics Lab=20
Coordinator
>
>Swain West 115
>Physics Department, Indiana=20
University
>727 E. 3rd Street
>Bloomington, IN 47405
>
>
>
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