Date: Fri Apr 13 18:02:54 2007

Author: Stan Dodds

Subject: Re: Emergency shower drain?

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Right. I have heard two explanations, but verified neither:

1. It's an OSHA/EPA ... pick your favorite "villain" agency...=20
requirement to avoid releasing toxics into the environment by washing=20
them into a drain. Of course, any drain that can pick up chemicals is=20
required to go to holding tanks, acid neutralization etc, so the floor=20=

drain could have been connected to that system, along with the sink=20
drains.

2. There is no floor drain precisely so that there will be a mess, thus=20=

dissuading casual use or pranks. I'm not sure if potential vandals or=20
high-spirited students will agree with this deduction.

Stan

On Apr 13, 2007, at 4:47 PM, Sam Sampere wrote:

> Hi Samantha,
> =A0
> It=92s new OSHA requirements! I, too, had them installed wherever=20
> chemicals might be used. And the definition of chemical was pretty=20
> sketchy. I had to jump and scream and stomp my feet to keep them out=20=

> of a couple of labs.=A0 No, they did not install floor drains, so if a=20=

> shower goes off, it=92s a big mess. We had one with a loose handle and=20=

> it set itself off. What a mess! Good thing these are alarmed when=20
> they=92re set off. Public safety was automatically electronically=20
> notified, and over here before lots of damage was done and shut it=20
> off.
> =A0
> Enjoy the weekend!
> =A0
> Sam
> =A0
>
> From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu [mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu]=20=

> On Behalf Of S M Ryan
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:31 PM
> To: Tap-L
> Subject: [tap-l]Emergency shower drain?
> =A0
> Hi all.=A0 I teach at a small hig school.=A0 Physics, Chemistry & =
Earth.=A0=20
> Our building has been renovated=A0- in the final stages of cleanup.=A0 =
My=20
> new class/lab is gorgeous.=A0 I just have 2 complaints... one which=20
> leads to this e-mail.=A0 I realize the purely physics folks probably=20=

> don't have emergency showers in their labs, so peek in your=20
> neighborhood Chem lab and tell me....
> =A0
> Is it, or is it not standard practice to place a floor drain somewhere=20=

> is the vicinity of an emergency shower?
> =A0
> I have no floor drain anywhere.=A0 Even my eyewash station drains out=20=

> onto the floor - such that I can't even place a bucket under it.=A0
> The engineers/contractors reasoning:=A0 "Well its just for =
emergencies.=A0=20
> A drain is not required by code.=A0 The janitor can just mop up if you=20=

> ever use it."
> Is this flipping ridiculous, or am I pitching a fit for nothing?=A0
> =A0
> Curious,
> Samantha
> =A0
> =A0
> (if you're curious about the second complaint it has to do with the=20
> 4x4 posts coming down in the middle of each lab station because they=20=

> didn't think(?) to to run the electric and water to the station while=20=

> they had the floor all dug up for the lab sink drains, so they are=20
> running down from the ceiling.... yes, they had to dig drains for=A08=20=

> sinks... why not a floor drain at the same time?????)=A0=A0
> =A0
>
> --
> "I guess you are too far away to help me with long division, but I=20
> hope you will enjoy these Christmas cookies anyway."
>
> "...they all say that she [the Queen of England]'s nice, but that you=20=

> are more useful to humanity."
>
> --from children's letters to Albert Einstein
> !DSPAM:461ffc2611296971013301!=20=

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Right. I have heard two explanations, but verified neither:


1. It's an OSHA/EPA ... pick your favorite "villain" agency...
requirement to avoid releasing toxics into the environment by washing
them into a drain. Of course, any drain that can pick up chemicals is
required to go to holding tanks, acid neutralization etc, so the floor
drain could have been connected to that system, along with the sink
drains.


2. There is no floor drain precisely so that there will be a mess,
thus dissuading casual use or pranks. I'm not sure if potential
vandals or high-spirited students will agree with this deduction.


Stan


On Apr 13, 2007, at 4:47 PM, Sam Sampere wrote:


=
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=
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new OSHA requirements! I, too, had them installed wherever chemicals
might be used. And the definition of chemical was pretty sketchy. I
had to jump and scream and stomp my feet to keep them out of a couple
of labs.=A0 No, they did not install floor drains, so if a shower goes
off, it=92s a big mess. We had one with a loose handle and it set itself
off. What a mess! Good thing these are alarmed when they=92re set off.
Public safety was automatically electronically notified, and over here
before lots of damage was done and shut it =
off.

=
Arial0000,0000,8080=A0

=
Arial0000,0000,8080Enjoy
the weekend!

=
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=
Arial0000,0000,8080Sam

=
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Times New RomanHi all.=A0 I
teach at a small hig school.=A0 Physics, Chemistry & Earth.=A0 Our
building has been renovated=A0- in the final stages of cleanup.=A0 My =
new
class/lab is gorgeous.=A0 I just have 2 complaints... one which leads to
this e-mail.=A0 I realize the purely physics folks probably don't have
emergency showers in their labs, so peek in your neighborhood Chem lab
and tell me....

Times New =
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Times New RomanIs it, or is
it not standard practice to place a floor drain somewhere is the
vicinity of an emergency shower?

Times New =
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Times New RomanI have no
floor drain anywhere.=A0 Even my eyewash station drains out onto the
floor - such that I can't even place a bucket under =
it.=A0

Times New RomanThe
engineers/contractors reasoning:=A0 "Well its just for emergencies.=A0 A
drain is not required by code.=A0 The janitor can just mop up if you
ever use it."

Times New RomanIs this
flipping ridiculous, or am I pitching a fit for =
nothing?=A0

Times New =
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Times New =
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Times New =
RomanSamantha

Times New =
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Times New =
Roman=A0

Times New Roman(if you're
curious about the second complaint it has to do with the 4x4 posts
coming down in the middle of each lab station because they didn't
think(?) to to run the electric and water to the station while they
had the floor all dug up for the lab sink drains, so they are running
down from the ceiling.... yes, they had to dig drains for=A08 sinks...
why not a floor drain at the same =
time?????)=A0=A0

Times New =
Roman=A0


Times New Roman -- =


Times New Roman "I guess
you are too far away to help me with long division, but I hope you
will enjoy these Christmas cookies =
anyway."


Times New Roman "...they
all say that she [the Queen of England]'s nice, but that you are more
useful to humanity."


Times New Roman --from
children's letters to Albert Einstein

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