Date: Thu Mar 1 11:22:31 2007

Author: Torres-Isea, Ramon

Subject: Re: LabGuy Rot Suggestions

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Hello John,

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Actually Spanish does have "neutral" gender. Ignoring proper accent =
marks...in the sentence "El pueblo de Venezuela" (the people of =
Venezuela), "pueblo" is neutral. The "el" maybe used for masculine and =
neutral.

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I would not say "el nave", I would say "la nave".

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Sometimes the gender is made clear by the context, particularly in =
poetry. Example: when using the word "mar" (sea), if we write "El mar =
bravio" (the wrathful sea), "mar" is masculine. If we write "La mar =
serena" (the serene sea), "mar" is feminine. However, if we write "El =
mar Caribe" (the Caribbean Sea), "mar" is neutral. It all depends of =
what qualities of the sea you wish to emphasize.

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Ramon Torres-Isea =20

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Adjunct Lecturer and Supervisor,
Advanced Physics Teaching Laboratories,

The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI.

________________________________

From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu [mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On =
Behalf Of John Hubisz
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 6:43 PM
To: tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: [tap-l] LabGuy Rot Suggestions

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Foreign languages recognize the difference between "sex" and "gender".

"Sex" is either male or female. "Gender" in English can be masculine, =
feminine, or neuter. In Dutch there is common or neuter. Some =
languages have only masculine or feminine. There are languages that =
have as many as 20 genders. "Gender" is a grammatical term.

English does not use articles in the same way as other languages, so =
there is little concern about agreement. You do not say or write, "el =
se=F1orita" or "la hombre," e.g.in Spanish. You might guess that "ship" =
would be neuter, but there is no neuter in Spanish. It is "la barca" =
(small boat) or "el nave" (ship) whereas in English we treat a ship as =
feminine, the U.S. as neuter, and Germany as masculine.


John Hubisz



Sam Sampere wrote:=20

How are all foreign languages dealing with this gender neutral stuff, =
where everything is very gender specific??=20
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Les techniciens de laboratoire, ils sont fou!=20
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Sam
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-----Original Message-----
From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu [mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On =
Behalf Of John Hubisz
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:58 PM
To: tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: [tap-l] LabGuy Rot Suggestions
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"Deity" is masculine and not "gender neutral."
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John Hubisz
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Anna Kiefte wrote:
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How about the gender neutral "deity"?=20
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-----Original Message-----
From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu [mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On
Behalf Of Dale Stille
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:00 PM
To: tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: [tap-l] LabGuy Rot Suggestions
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Chele,
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I see nothing wrong with "Gods and Goddesses".
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Dale
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007, cablem wrote:
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I didn't mean to squash it...I think it's a riot! I just don't want
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me,=20
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Annie, Patty, Kelly and some others to be called 'guys'. However, I
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have to=20
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admit, I'm at a loss as to what we SHOULD say. We eliminated "tech".
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What=20
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else works? Hmmm...what about guru?
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Chele
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On 2/27/2007 4:12 PM, Tony Papirio wrote:
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How come everybody got so quiet all of a sudden?
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cablem wrote:
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Well...not to be politically correct or something ('cause I'm just
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as apt=20
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to say "PIRA guys" as the next person)...but...last time I checked
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not all=20
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of us had dangly boy parts. I know "tech" isn't quite the term we
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like,=20
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but at least its not gender-biased. Just sayin'...
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Chele
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On 2/27/2007 1:21 PM, Gerald Zani wrote:
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Bill,
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I LOVE your list...
BUT,
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You should change:
G. Shared an Old Peculiar with Zig during his glory days.
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Also, your list is named wrong. It should be renamed to be:
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Lab Guy Matures to Sweet Perfection!! -- JZ
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At 11:49 AM 2/27/2007, you wrote:
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A: Knows the location of everything in the Demo Room-- or at
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least=20
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where it /was/ before someone borrowed it.
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B: Has every published edition of Halliday and Resnick.
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C: Personally knew Sutton.
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D: Knows the meaning of the the acronym "PIRA".
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E: Can set up any demonstration in any lecture hall on campus in
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10=20
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minutes flat. And is frequently asked to do so at the last
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minute...
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E: Has at least 195 of the "PIRA 200" demonstrations in their=20
department collection.
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F: Can explain even the most basic demonstrations to the most
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advanced=20
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professors.
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G. Can recall the last dozen bars visited with Ziggy during AAPT=20
meetings. 10? 6? 1??
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Cheers.
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bill
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Machele Kindle
Lab Manager
Physics Dept.
Wake Forest University
Winston-Salem, NC 27109
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Phone: 336-758-5532
Fax: 336-758-6142
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"Get Fuzzy"
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Bucky, the arrogant cat: Aaaaaaaa!
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Rob, the geeky owner: 11:55. Right on time for his nightly freakout.
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Satchet, the lovable dog: Ever notice how he runs circles in the same=20
direction?
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Buckey: Yaaaaaaaa!
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Rob: Maybe the coriolis effect works on cats, too, eh?
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Satchet: Ha, ha! I have NO idea what that means!
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Hello =
John,



Actually Spanish does have =
“neutral”
gender. Ignoring proper accent marks…in the sentence “El =
pueblo de Venezuela” (the people of =
Venezuela), =
“pueblo”
is neutral. The “el” maybe used for masculine and =
neutral.



I would not say “el =
nave”, I
would say “la nave”.



Sometimes the gender is made clear =
by the
context, particularly in poetry. Example: when using the word =
“mar”
(sea), if we write “El mar bravio” (the wrathful sea), =
“mar”
is masculine. If we write “La mar serena” (the serene sea), =
“mar”
is feminine. However, if we write “El mar Caribe” (the =
Caribbean Sea), “mar” is neutral.=A0 =
It all
depends of what qualities of the sea you wish to =
emphasize.



Ramon Torres-Isea =
=A0





Adjunct Lecturer and Supervisor,
Advanced Physics Teaching Laboratories,

The University
of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI.











From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu
[mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On Behalf
Of John Hubisz
Sent: Wednesday, February =
28, 2007
6:43 PM
To: tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: [tap-l] =
LabGuy Rot
Suggestions





Foreign languages recognize the difference =
between
"sex" and "gender".

"Sex" is either male or female. "Gender" in =
English
can be masculine, feminine, or neuter. In Dutch there is common or
neuter. Some languages have only masculine or feminine. =
There are
languages that have as many as 20 genders. "Gender" is a
grammatical term.

English does not use articles in the same way as other languages, so =
there is
little concern about agreement. You do not say or write, "el
se=F1orita" or "la hombre," e.g.in Spanish. You =
might guess
that "ship" would be neuter, but there is no neuter in =
Spanish.
It is "la barca" (small boat) or "el nave" (ship) =
whereas
in English we treat a ship as feminine, the U.S.
as neuter, and Germany
as masculine.


John Hubisz



Sam Sampere wrote:

How are all foreign languages dealing with =
this gender neutral stuff, where everything is very gender specific?? =
Les techniciens de laboratoire, ils sont fou! =
Sam -----Original =
Message-----From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu=
[mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.=
edu] On Behalf Of John =
HubiszSent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:58 =
PMTo: tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu<=
/span>Subject: Re: [tap-l] LabGuy Rot =
Suggestions "Deity" is masculine and not =
"gender neutral." John =
Hubisz =D0=CF=E0=A1=B1=E1 Anna Kiefte =
wrote:=A0

How about the gender neutral =
"deity"? -----Original =
Message-----From: tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu=
[mailto:tap-l-owner@lists.ncsu.=
edu] OnBehalf Of Dale =
StilleSent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:00 =
PMTo: tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu<=
/span>Subject: Re: [tap-l] LabGuy Rot =
Suggestions Chele, I see nothing wrong with "Gods and =
Goddesses". Dale On Tue, 27 Feb 2007, cablem =
wrote: =A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0

I didn't mean to squash it...I think it's a =
riot! I just don't want=A0=A0=A0 =
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me, =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0

Annie, Patty, Kelly and some others to be =
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have to =
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admit, I'm at a loss as to what we SHOULD =
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What =
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guru? Chele On 2/27/2007 4:12 PM, Tony Papirio =
wrote:=A0=A0=A0 =
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How come everybody got so quiet all of a =
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Well...not to be politically correct or =
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as apt =
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to say "PIRA guys" as the next =
person)...but...last time I =
checked=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0





not all =
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like, =
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but at least its not gender-biased. Just =
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wrote: =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0

Bill, I LOVE your =
list...BUT, You should =
change: G.=A0 Shared an Old Peculiar with Zig during =
his glory days. Also, your list is named wrong.=A0 It should =
be renamed to be: Lab Guy Matures to Sweet Perfection!! -- =
JZ At 11:49 AM 2/27/2007, you =
wrote: =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
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least =
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where it /was/ before someone borrowed =
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and Resnick. C:=A0 Personally knew =
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professors. G.=A0 Can recall the last dozen bars visited =
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=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Machele =
KindleLab =
ManagerPhysics =
Dept.Wake =
Forest University<=
st1:place
w:st=3D"on">Winston-Salem, =
NC 27109 Phone: =
336-758-5532Fax: =
336-758-6142 "Get =
Fuzzy" Bucky, the arrogant cat: =
Aaaaaaaa! Rob, the geeky owner: 11:55. Right on time =
for his nightly freakout. Satchet, the lovable dog: Ever notice how he =
runs circles in the same direction?=
Buckey: =
Yaaaaaaaa! Rob: Maybe the coriolis effect works on cats, =
too, eh? Satchet: Ha, ha! I have NO idea what that =
means!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ =A0=A0=A0 =
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