Date: Thu Feb 8 12:28:22 2007

Author: Kail Secrest

Subject: Re: Another YouTube hoax?

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I thought this was the further experimentation of Thomas Townsend =
Brown's research in the 1920's.

Kail


> On Wed, 7 Feb 2007, Bernard Cleyet wrote:
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>> Or just impractical?
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTa1wO8EcERY&NR
>>
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> Also called "DeSeversky's Ionocraft", invented in the 1950s. If we =
put
> high voltage between a thin sharp wire and a large non-sharp plate, =
then
> electric wind will blow from the wire to the plate. Here's another =
video:
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> Ionocraft (DivX AVI)
> http://www.blazelabs.com/deserver.avi
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>=20
> Also an old article about it: =
http://www.rexresearch.com/desev/desev.htm
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>=20
> Here's some guys who found that the thrust decreases to zero in
> hard vacuum:
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> http://www.blazelabs.com/l-vacuum.asp
> http://www.blazelabs.com/l-intro.asp
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>=20
>=20
>=20
> If some sort of particle-beam device was used instead of thin wires, =
then
> it might be possible to build a useful aircraft, an "electrostatic
> helicopter." Just deposit many tens of milliamps of ions at many
> megavolts into many cubic meters of air above the craft. With
> acceleration potentials above the megavolt range, "electron runaway"
> occurs, and air becomes relatively transparent to electrons. =
Electrons of
> relatively low mass would be flung many meters upwards, where they =
attach
> to air molecules and are attracted downward as relatively heavy =
negative
> ions; attracted to the positively-charged fuselage. An electrostatic =
jet
> engine. A helicopter without blades. As a stealth aircraft it would =
be
> silent, but wouldn't it have a purple glow that's hard to conceal? =
And it
> might reek of ozone? Engine-powered electric generators might give =
off a
> slight hum, and perhaps interfere with AM radio reception. The =
charged
> fuselage would burn the grass when landing. Similar electrostatic
> side-thrusters around the rim would appear as a row of lights which =
wink
> on and off in organized patterns during steering. Heh. And finall, =
if
> MeV electrons put out some x-rays, this would fire off any nearby GM
> counters, and might even penetrate metal and temporarily short out the =
HV
> ignition of nearby cars.
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> Perhaps some of those old UFO reports were actual sightings of =
military
> "ionocraft" testing?
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>=20
>=20
> On the other end of the complexity spectrum, here's my genuine
> non-electrostatic antigravity device made of cardboard:
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3WyULc3jCgg
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>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> (((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) )))))))))))))))))))
> William J. Beaty http://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/
> beaty@chem.washington.edu Research Engineer
> billb@eskimo.com UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74
> 206-543-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700
>
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I thought this was the further =
experimentation of=20
Thomas Townsend Brown's research in the 1920's.

Kail
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2007, Bernard Cleyet wrote:> =
>> Or=20
just impractical?>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTa1wO8EcERY&NR>> > > > Also called =
"DeSeversky's=20
Ionocraft", invented in the 1950s. If we put> high voltage =
between=20
a thin sharp wire and a large non-sharp plate, then> electric =
wind will=20
blow from the wire to the plate. Here's another video:>=20
> Ionocraft (DivX AVI)> http://www.blazelabs.com/deserver.avi> > > Also an old article about it: =
http://www.rexresearch.com/desev/desev.htm> > > Here's some guys who found that the =
thrust=20
decreases to zero in> hard vacuum:> > =
http://www.blazelabs.com/l-vacuum.asp> http://www.blazelabs.com/l-intro.asp> > > > > If some sort of =
particle-beam=20
device was used instead of thin wires, then> it might be possible =
to=20
build a useful aircraft, an "electrostatic> helicopter." =
Just=20
deposit many tens of milliamps of ions at many> megavolts into =
many cubic=20
meters of air above the craft. With> acceleration =
potentials above=20
the megavolt range, "electron runaway"> occurs, and air becomes=20
relatively transparent to electrons. Electrons of> =
relatively low=20
mass would be flung many meters upwards, where they attach> to =
air=20
molecules and are attracted downward as relatively heavy =
negative> ions;=20
attracted to the positively-charged fuselage. An electrostatic =
jet>=20
engine. A helicopter without blades. As a stealth aircraft =
it would=20
be> silent, but wouldn't it have a purple glow that's hard to=20
conceal? And it> might reek of ozone? Engine-powered =
electric=20
generators might give off a> slight hum, and perhaps interfere =
with AM=20
radio reception. The charged> fuselage would burn the grass =
when=20
landing. Similar electrostatic> side-thrusters around the =
rim would=20
appear as a row of lights which wink> on and off in organized =
patterns=20
during steering. Heh. And finall, if> MeV electrons =
put out=20
some x-rays, this would fire off any nearby GM> counters, and =
might even=20
penetrate metal and temporarily short out the HV> ignition of =
nearby=20
cars.> > Perhaps some of those old UFO reports were actual =

sightings of military> "ionocraft" testing?> > =
>=20
> On the other end of the complexity spectrum, here's my =
genuine>=20
non-electrostatic antigravity device made of cardboard:> =
> =20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3WyULc3jCgg> > > > > > =
(((((((((((((((((( (=20
( ( ( (O) =
) =20
) ) ) )))))))))))))))))))> William J.=20
Beaty &n=
bsp; =20
http://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/> beaty@chem.washington.edu Research Engineer> =
billb@eskimo.com &nbs=
p; =20
UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74>=20
206-543-6195 &=
nbsp; =20
Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700>

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