Date: Wed Feb 7 08:52:02 2007
Author: Sam Sampere
Subject: Re: CO2 demo (was) List conversations. Please Read.
It's a FLIR Thermacam E25.
I got it refurbished for about $13,000, but I had a grant to pay for it.
I couldn't justify department funds for that gizmo alone, although, now
that I have one, I probably could.
I know you're in Switzerland, but the news here a month ago was about
all the unopen ski resorts in Austria. I'm guessing it was like that in
all of Europe.
Oswego, a small city about a 30 minute drive from Syracuse has been
pounded with several feet, sorry, maybe 1.5 m, of snow these last few
days. They had bragging rights and made the national news today.
From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com] On
Behalf Of Urs Lauterburg
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [tap-l] CO2 demo (was) List conversations. Please Read.
Thanks for the arbitrator type word. I do envy you for the FIR
though. Which type is and how much was it? I would definitely try the
Wolf balloons, if it works it's a really nice greenhouse effect demo.
Somehow suitably expensive thus very much according to the complexity
about this topic. Anyway in order not to get whacked by Sam's knuckle
ruler I won't get more into this any longer here.
BTW: I am in Switzerland, neither in Austria nor Australia ;-). Well
the mountains have finally gotten some snow but it's still not to the
extent you can call it a real winter in the traditional sense. It may
be seen as a simple mood of nature but metrologists keep telling that
the weather is definitely too mild for the season.
Regards and all
University of Bern
>Hi Urs, et al,
>If it's a demo, go for it! I don't mind a bit of the other stuff. I
>admit, I tune out most of the ramblings, though, and personally, I
>think those are in the spirit of this list - hence, Ed's list to the
>I think a couple (Karl and Doug, hold out your hands so I can your
>knuckles with a ruler!) came down a bit hard on Keith, and he's too
>upset to even respond. I know he's sobbing in his office right this
>instant! I didn't think Keith was taking a stand on either side, he was
>simply stating that his thoughts were to keep these kinds of
>conversations, topics which we cannot and will not solve, off the list.
>About the FLIR - I got a grant to purchase the camera. It's an amazing
>device. Kids love this gadget! I use it for demos and outreach, and
>watching kids use this in the mall is a riot! Hold up a piece of
>Styrofoam and it's some uniform (false) color. Hold your hand on it for
>a few seconds and remove it, and your 'handprint' is visible on the
>screen, even though you can't see it. Just cool. Or is it warm?? Do the
>same on a piece of paper, and you can watch your handprint disappear.
>I'm going to go fill a clear balloon with some CO2. thanks for that
>Are the ski resorts open over in Austria yet, Urs? They've been open
>here for about 3 weeks now.
>From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com] On
>Behalf Of Urs Lauterburg
>Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 1:51 PM
>Subject: Re: [tap-l] CO2 demo (was) List conversations. Please Read.
>Lucky you to have one of those. I would love to have one of the new
>FIR infrared cameras but my departement could so far not afford it.
>Therefore for showing the world in infrared I have to use a rather
>ancient, bulky AGA-Thermovision camera which used to be state of the
>art long ago and which has to be cooled with LN. The pictures are
>displayed on a small monitor in a rather low resolution way. I like
>the resolution and the false color thermal images of today's FIR type
>With you taking as stand for prohibiting free speech on tap-l, I hope
>you still think it's OK to show the infrared absorption of CO2 in a
>demo right? I hope so. I think tap-l can handle a certain amount of
>religion/politics/philosophy besides the hard fact arguments and
>information about physics demos and labs.
>University of Bern
>>I'll have to check it out with my FLIR camera.