Date: Sat Nov 25 22:38:05 2006

Author: Edward Sabol

Subject: Re: The Inconvenient Truth

Post:
Sorry if I helped the list deviate, however your clear concise economic
focus was worth it

ed

best to all

----Original Message Follows----
From: "David Sturm"
Reply-To: tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu
To: tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: [tap-l] The Inconvenient Truth
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 20:52:57 -0500

Perhaps this discussion should occur on an alternate list from tap-l? I'll
look to see to creating something on Yahoo groups that we could all share
since I'm not sure how Al Gore's politidocumentary affects my ability to
work with physics
laboratory, lecture and education...

My only contribution to the thread will be to correct an extreme factual
error presented here, because I believe it disparages the real American car
industry, of which I have a number of relatives employed in...

tap-l@lists.ncsu.edu on Saturday, November 25, 2006 at 6:08 AM -0500 wrote:
:...
>
>The reason Toyota as a car manufacturer does extremely well in comparison
to the economically protected American car industry is the mere fact that
they have been optimizing their cars for less resource consumption for
decades already.
...
>

I know slagging America seems to be popular, but Toyotas and Hondas and most
other "so-called imports" driven in the United States are by far produced
*in* the United States, and are part of the American car industry, employing
American engineers,
and American scientists, many of whom received their physics education in
our PIRA-supported classrooms... I've had cousins employed at the Honda
plant northwest of Columbus, Ohio near Marysville, Ohio since the plant
opened in 1982

http://www.ohio.honda.com/

It's "more American" than Ford plants in Mexico, GM plants in Canada, etc.
BMW manufactures in South Carolina... Mercedes in Alabama... and the list
goes on... And Daimler-Chrysler... is a German company now, not an American
one. And even that's
really meaningless in this day and age. My stock portfolio has Honda in it
(NYSE: HMC), as do many of its employees in the U.S....

There's no economic protection in the United States, clearly. Ford and GM's
problems have to do with union contracts they negotiated in the 1960s and
1970s that gave liberal benefits to retirees until death. They can't
numerically sell the number
of cars that supports that pension overpromising... Because they overspent
on labor, they ceased putting quite as much into R&D... and make economic
decisions that aren't based on supply and demand.

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