Date: Sat Nov 25 10:17:13 2006

Author: John Hubisz

Subject: Re: The Inconvenient Truth

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I had no difficulty getting to

http://www.consumeralert.org/ncc/index.htm

so I have no idea what the complaint is about. I have been a member of
Consumer Alert for about 20 years. They have excellent advice and do a
good job.

I am also a signer of the Petition Project that has over 17,000
signatures with affiliations indicated that question whether global
warming is caused by human activity.

Just because a company is wise enough to take advantage of consumer
beliefs does not mean that the company has any other aim besides making
money. Always remember that making something appear better for the
environment locally, simply means moving the pollution elsewhere. There
will always be pollution! (Note also that the mileage for hybrids has
had to be redone as they failed to account for all the energy input.)
There are lots of uneconomical projects carried out by companies that
would not make it in the free market, but because of tax breaks or other
subsidies make their projects worthwhile to the company's shareholders.
They will quit once the breaks are taken away.

Then there are the people who think that Galileo was right about the
heliocentric planetary system, but he did not have the evidence - it was
a belief not yet supported by the evidence.

During the past 3000 years, there have been at least five extended
periods of time when the Earth was much warmer than today. For the past
300 years the temperature has been rising, but it still has not reached
the 3000 year average. It's the Sun, folks! During the last 20 years
of the 20th Century, with the highest CO2 levels, temperatures have
decreased

While growing up in the 1940s, I shut the lights off when leaving any
room, had fluorescent bulbs as the main lighting in our rooms, saved
copper and aluminum wiring, and for a while bundled newspapers for
collection. I still do many of these things adding the saving of
aluminum cans.

Some of the proposals that are being considered on a large scale are
much more to be feared than doing nothing.

John Hubisz




John Mocko wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Nov 2006, Urs Lauterburg wrote:
>
>
>> Ed,
>>
>> And if you take a closer look at who stands behind the ''Cooler Heads
>> Coalition'' which puts up http://www.globalwarming.org/ it's clear
>> that they don't like the facts. Whatever the economical arguments
>> which are of course a vital factor in every respect; the following
>> maybe also be considered a somewhat inconvenient truth:
>>
>>
>
> It's quite interesting to follow the advice that Urs has given here. I
> followed the "About Us" link on the Cooler Heads site and it brings you to
> a basic description about who they supposedly are and what they
> support. The really interesting part is when you follow the further links
> they provide.....
>
> http://www.globalwarming.org/about.htm
>
> Follow the links to the "National Comsumer Coalition" they claim to be and
> you'll find...
>
> http://www.consumeralert.org/ncc/index.htm
>
> Which is actually nowhere......it's a lost page hosted on a GoDaddy server
> asking you "What were you looking for...". In other words, it doesn't
> exist.....none of their further information links exist.
>
> Investigative reporting has in the past proven that the petroleum and
> automotive industries have funded scientists and groups like this one who
> "provide evidence" that global warming doesn't exist. Personally, I'm a
> middle of the road voter.....I'd rather not trust the information I get
> from extremists on the right like Rush Limbaugh or Anne Coulter (or
> extremists on the left either). Nor would I trust a website like this one
> sponsored by the "Cooler Heads Coalition". I'll research the information
> myself thank you very much and come to my own conclusions.....and in the
> case of large, potentially dangerous issues like global warming....I'll
> err on the side of precaution without extremism. I'll do my part and
> switch to compact flourescent bulbs, turn the lights out when I leave the
> room, drive a fuel efficient car, and turn my heater down and AC up to
> "save the planet" (and some money too!). I also think many of the changes
> needed to "prevent global warming" are needed just to protect the
> environment.....whether it prevents global warming or not doesn't
> matter...it's just GOOD for us to do. I LIKE clean water, fresh air and no
> pollution......if that also slows or stops any "global warming" that might
> or might not exist all the better.
>
> John
> ______________________________________________________________________
>
> John Mocko
> Senior Teaching Laboratory Specialist (Lecture Demonstrations)
> Department of Physics
> University of Florida
> Gainesville, Fl.
>
>

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I had no difficulty getting to
http://www.consumeralert.org/ncc/index.htm
so I have no idea what the complaint is about. I have been a member of
Consumer Alert for about 20 years. They have excellent advice and do a
good job.

I am also a signer of the Petition Project that has over 17,000
signatures with affiliations indicated that question whether global
warming is caused by human activity.

Just because a company is wise enough to take advantage of consumer
beliefs does not mean that the company has any other aim besides making
money. Always remember that making something appear better for the
environment locally, simply means moving the pollution elsewhere.
There will always be pollution! (Note also that the mileage for
hybrids has had to be redone as they failed to account for all the
energy input.) There are lots of uneconomical projects carried out by
companies that would not make it in the free market, but because of tax
breaks or other subsidies make their projects worthwhile to the
company's shareholders. They will quit once the breaks are taken away.

Then there are the people who think that Galileo was right about the
heliocentric planetary system, but he did not have the evidence - it
was a belief not yet supported by the evidence.

During the past 3000 years, there have been at least five extended
periods of time when the Earth was much warmer than today. For the
past 300 years the temperature has been rising, but it still has not
reached the 3000 year average. It's the Sun, folks! During the last
20 years of the 20th Century, with the highest CO2 levels,
temperatures have decreased

While growing up in the 1940s, I shut the lights off when leaving any
room, had fluorescent bulbs as the main lighting in our rooms, saved
copper and aluminum wiring, and for a while bundled newspapers for
collection. I still do many of these things adding the saving of
aluminum cans.

Some of the proposals that are being considered on a large scale are
much more to be feared than doing nothing.

John Hubisz




John Mocko wrote:

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006, Urs Lauterburg wrote:



Ed,

And if you take a closer look at who stands behind the ''Cooler Heads
Coalition'' which puts up http://www.globalwarming.org/ it's clear
that they don't like the facts. Whatever the economical arguments
which are of course a vital factor in every respect; the following
maybe also be considered a somewhat inconvenient truth:




It's quite interesting to follow the advice that Urs has given here. I
followed the "About Us" link on the Cooler Heads site and it brings you to
a basic description about who they supposedly are and what they
support. The really interesting part is when you follow the further links
they provide.....

http://www.globalwarming.org/about.htm

Follow the links to the "National Comsumer Coalition" they claim to be and
you'll find...

http://www.consumeralert.org/ncc/index.htm

Which is actually nowhere......it's a lost page hosted on a GoDaddy server
asking you "What were you looking for...". In other words, it doesn't
exist.....none of their further information links exist.

Investigative reporting has in the past proven that the petroleum and
automotive industries have funded scientists and groups like this one who
"provide evidence" that global warming doesn't exist. Personally, I'm a
middle of the road voter.....I'd rather not trust the information I get
from extremists on the right like Rush Limbaugh or Anne Coulter (or
extremists on the left either). Nor would I trust a website like this one
sponsored by the "Cooler Heads Coalition". I'll research the information
myself thank you very much and come to my own conclusions.....and in the
case of large, potentially dangerous issues like global warming....I'll
err on the side of precaution without extremism. I'll do my part and
switch to compact flourescent bulbs, turn the lights out when I leave the
room, drive a fuel efficient car, and turn my heater down and AC up to
"save the planet" (and some money too!). I also think many of the changes
needed to "prevent global warming" are needed just to protect the
environment.....whether it prevents global warming or not doesn't
matter...it's just GOOD for us to do. I LIKE clean water, fresh air and no
pollution......if that also slows or stops any "global warming" that might
or might not exist all the better.

John
______________________________________________________________________

John Mocko
Senior Teaching Laboratory Specialist (Lecture Demonstrations)
Department of Physics
University of Florida
Gainesville, Fl.






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