Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 07:14:59 -0400

Author: sampere

Subject: Re: position descriptions


I hate you now you long haired commie freak girly man professor.


A Gavrin wrote:

> Jerry -
> I started this round, so I guess I should respond.
> First, let me say that the people I have meet on tap-l and in person
> who do this sort of job are awesome. They do a difficult job well, go
> beyond the call of duty at every turn, and take tremendous pride in
> their work. Most are severely underpaid.
> Next, let me say that I could go into a rant about inequities in the
> way people are compensated in many areas. Not only universities, but
> companies, government, etc. Soon, someone would be calling me a
> commie, and we would wind up flaming each other and talking about
> athletes, the world bank, and Bill Gates. I would rather skip it, so
> for the record, I also believe that all of the inequities are caused
> by economic forces that are a part of living in a free country. I
> guess I *am* one of those wussie intellectuals that see three sides to
> every issue.
> I do have to come to the defense of the faculty a bit though. I (and
> most of my colleagues here) do our own purchasing for our labs, etc.
> We are well aware what a pain it can be. Same goes for supervising
> students, dealing with the IT department, filing out forms, sitting on
> committees, etc.
> Have I offended everyone yet?
> - Andy
> Jerry DiMarco wrote:
>> I would like to take a different tack on this issue. Every job
>> description I've seen posted here has seemed like a hopeless job to
>> fulfill. There are usually so many duties listed that it leaves me
>> with the impression that no one can reasonably be expected to do all
>> of that job in any sizable institution. There will probably be
>> portions of it that don't get the attention needed.
>> The reason I think this happens is that faculty lack an
>> appreciation for what this type of job entails. Take, for example,
>> the "simple" act of purchasing something. It usually starts with a
>> catalog or internet search. Then you must place the order, with the
>> accompanying paper work. When the item arrives, you have to make
>> sure it's what you ordered and that it's working. There might be
>> more paperwork, including entering it into inventory. It may need
>> modification before it can be used. If it's a new item, it may
>> require modification of an existing document or creation of a new
>> document or webpage. By the time you are through, you may have a few
>> hours into it. But a person who has not had to go through the
>> process might think purchasing takes only 5 minutes of your time.
>> Almost every part of my job has this kind of overhead associated
>> with it, but I'd guess only a relatively small percentage of faculty
>> are aware of it to any degree. I would be interested to hear what
>> people on the other side of this issue think. Do they realize what
>> they are asking for? Is it a matter of budget, priorities, something
>> else?
>> Jerry
From Fri Sep 3 09:24:06 2004