Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:03:22 -0400

Author: Gordon Shepherd

Subject: Re: [Fwd: Virus alert-TAPL'ers]

Post:

Needs to be installed.

Go to windowsupdate.microsoft.com

You can download the latest updates and the automatic update
notification program.

You'll have to do this from IE, of course.

Paul

On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, at 12:10 PM, Jerry DiMarco wrote:

> Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Windows fan. There is the Windows
> Update feature, usually in the system tray or start menu, which is
> supposed to notify you when there is a "critical update" ready to be
> downloaded. Lately, though, it seems our office systems tech has been
> notifying us first...
>
>
> Jerry
>
>
> At 09:30 AM 9/22/2003, you wrote:
>> ... TAPLer's:
>> ... If this has been on the internet long enough for it to be on
>> hoaxinfo.com, why doesn't microsoft find a way to let everyone know
>> about it before everyone gets it? Are they "in" with the Antivirus
>> software folks? Linux is beginning to look mighty good.
>> Gordon Shepherd
>
>
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>
> Jerry DiMarco
> Manager of Lecture Demonstrations and Instructional Labs
> Montana State Univ., Physics Dept.
> Bozeman, MT
>
> Our Motto: "There's a demo in there somewhere."
From fizzix@netmcr.com Tue Sep 23 11:19:59 2003
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Thanks, Jerry. I never cease to learn new tips about this animal I'm so
dependent on.(For good or bad.) I've been going to
www.microsoft.com/security a lot recently also.
Gordon Shepherd
Jerry DiMarco wrote:

> Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Windows fan. There is the Windows
> Update feature, usually in the system tray or start menu, which is
> supposed to notify you when there is a "critical update" ready to be
> downloaded. Lately, though, it seems our office systems tech has been
> notifying us first...
>
>
> Jerry
>
>
> At 09:30 AM 9/22/2003, you wrote:
>
>> ... TAPLer's:
>> ... If this has been on the internet long enough for it to be on
>> hoaxinfo.com, why doesn't microsoft find a way to let everyone know
>> about it before everyone gets it? Are they "in" with the Antivirus
>> software folks? Linux is beginning to look mighty good.
>> Gordon Shepherd
>
>
>
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>
> Jerry DiMarco
> Manager of Lecture Demonstrations and Instructional Labs
> Montana State Univ., Physics Dept.
> Bozeman, MT
>
> Our Motto: "There's a demo in there somewhere."
>
From billb@eskimo.com Tue Sep 23 11:42:42 2003
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From: William Beaty
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Subject: Re: Phony M$ updates, tracking down the source
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On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Rick Tarara wrote:

> Ok--It looks like lots of people on the list are getting these, but not so
> many as me--about 10/hour.

These are just email viruses. Most viruses contain exe files, or pif,
scr, mp3,com, etc, and are easy to filter out.

If anyone wants to send me a valid file attachment like these, they have
to send it as "zip", otherwise I will never see the message. The Sobig
viruses send out zip files, but those always say "Please see the attached
zip file for details" so they're easy to filter

> It may be that the addresses of the listserves
> have been raided and I am on about 6 different ones

Viruses take email addresses from their victim's hard drive, and hard
drives contain huge numbers of cached websites. If the victim has
recently looked at the tapl-archive page, then their hard drive is full of
our email addresses. Or maybe the victim is a subscriber, and their hard
drive has files full of tap-l emails.

If the first line of the full headers comes from somethingorother.edu,
They you know which university is the source, and maybe you can figure out
who is infected by searching old tap-l messages for emails with the same
university.edu address.

(((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) )))))))))))))))))))
William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website
billb@eskimo.com http://amasci.com
EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair
Seattle, WA 206-789-0775 unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
From rtarara@saintmarys.edu Tue Sep 23 11:52:24 2003
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:36:30 -0500
From: Rick Tarara
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Virus alert-TAPL'ers]
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry DiMarco"

> Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Windows fan. There is the Windows
> Update feature, usually in the system tray or start menu, which is
supposed
> to notify you when there is a "critical update" ready to be
> downloaded. Lately, though, it seems our office systems tech has been
> notifying us first...
>
Not surprising. Realize that when an update is ready to send out, there are
10s of millions of computers to send to. Because many people have Windows
set to automatically download the update (then notify the user that the
update is ready to install), these notifications/downloads have to be
staggered over some time. IT people, especially those running Windows
servers will be notified first.

Rick
From kksecres@owu.edu Tue Sep 23 12:21:00 2003
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From: "Kail Secrest"
To:
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Windows is supposed to notify you if you have the proper thing checkmarked.
For XP you go to start/control panel/system/automatic updates and checkmark
the first spot. I wonder whether this really works like it should because
lately it hasn't alerted me at all! It used to.... maybe Microsoft is
overloaded with all the fixes for holes in their crappy software.

Kail Secrest

> > Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Windows fan. There is the Windows
> > Update feature, usually in the system tray or start menu, which is
> > supposed to notify you when there is a "critical update" ready to be
> > downloaded. Lately, though, it seems our office systems tech has been
> > notifying us first...
From reberg@physics.umd.edu Tue Sep 23 13:02:09 2003
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This is also the way that our tech guys are operating, Jerry. I think it
was suggested by Microsoft so that big mistakes were not made.

Dick Berg

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Jerry DiMarco wrote:

> Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Windows fan. There is the Windows
> Update feature, usually in the system tray or start menu, which is supposed
> to notify you when there is a "critical update" ready to be
> downloaded. Lately, though, it seems our office systems tech has been
> notifying us first...
>
> Jerry
>
>
> At 09:30 AM 9/22/2003, you wrote:
> >... TAPLer's:
> >... If this has been on the internet long enough for it to be on
> >hoaxinfo.com, why doesn't microsoft find a way to let everyone know about
> >it before everyone gets it? Are they "in" with the Antivirus software
> >folks? Linux is beginning to look mighty good.
> >Gordon Shepherd
>
>
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>
> Jerry DiMarco
> Manager of Lecture Demonstrations and Instructional Labs
> Montana State Univ., Physics Dept.
> Bozeman, MT
>
> Our Motto: "There's a demo in there somewhere."
>
>

***********************************************************************
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From crsnel@vt.edu Tue Sep 23 14:23:22 2003
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:06:27 -0400
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Tappers,
My sons AP Physics class has a terrible text book. I am tying to
see if anyone out there has some old books that they would donate. Any
of the usual calculus books would probably do.
Clark Snelgrove
From gnper090@wviz.org Tue Sep 23 15:44:53 2003
From: "Dick Heckathorn"
To:
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:29:41 -0400
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Where are you located?

Dick

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 5:06 PM
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Subject: Re: Seeking New Labs

Tappers,
My sons AP Physics class has a terrible text book. I am tying to
see if anyone out there has some old books that they would donate. Any
of the usual calculus books would probably do.
Clark Snelgrove
From cablem@wfu.edu Tue Sep 23 18:54:32 2003
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:37:56 -0400
From: Machele Cable
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My uncle works in fire safety and has run across someone INSISTING that
an endothermic reaction could, technically, start a fire. I'm not seeing
it, nor is he. Are we just uninformed???? We think, by definition,
endothermic reactions cannot start fires since fire needs heat to be
added in order to go.

Chele

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Endothermic
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:52:34 EDT
From: TimPridemore@aol.com
To: cablem@wfu.edu



Hey,

Have you ever heard of, or can you envision, an endothermic reaction
that can start a fire???? The only way I can see that is if one of the
reactants is combustible. Any thoughts on this???


Tim

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From acortel@pie.xtec.es Wed Sep 24 00:58:01 2003
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Hi Chele,
I'm a chemist and it is the first time I listen this. Perhaps they are meaning that one
of the chemicals used to make a specific endothermic process can start a fire in another
context. For instance, when ammonium nitrate is dssolved in water the process is highly
endothermic, but ammonium nitrate itself is highly oxidant, explosive, etc..
Best wishes,
Adolf Cortel

Machele Cable wrote:

> My uncle works in fire safety and has run across someone INSISTING that
> an endothermic reaction could, technically, start a fire. I'm not seeing
> it, nor is he. Are we just uninformed???? We think, by definition,
> endothermic reactions cannot start fires since fire needs heat to be
> added in order to go.
>
> Chele
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Endothermic
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:52:34 EDT
> From: TimPridemore@aol.com
> To: cablem@wfu.edu
>
> Hey,
>
> Have you ever heard of, or can you envision, an endothermic reaction
> that can start a fire???? The only way I can see that is if one of the
> reactants is combustible. Any thoughts on this???
>
> Tim
>
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From crsnel@vt.edu Wed Sep 24 06:06:57 2003
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I'm looking for calculus based physics text. I am located in
Blacksburg, Virginia.
Clark Snelgrove
Virginia Tech Physics
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From: "J. Terrence Klopcic"
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Colleagues,

We are in the market for a "speed gun" and a sound volume (decibel) =
meter. Any recommended models and sources?

Thanks in advance.

Terry

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Colleagues,

 

We are in the market for a "speed gun" =
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sources?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

       =20
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   =20
Terry


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From: Richard Berg
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Subject: Re: For the Chemists on the list: [Fwd: Endothermic]
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I am not a chemist, but isn't this what happens if you leave a rag
saturated with linseed oil in a confined place? I use linseed oil on my
outdoor lawn furniture, and noticed the warnings about not leaving cloths,
brushes, etc. soaked with linseed oil around because of the danger of
spontaneous combustion. I have read some of the warning stuff that comes
with virtually every chemical (including water!), so I really didn't
believe that stuff, UNTIL I TRIED IT. Truly frightening. A linseed oil
soaked rag in a bag actually bursts into flame in a very short time.

Dick Berg

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Machele Cable wrote:

> My uncle works in fire safety and has run across someone INSISTING that
> an endothermic reaction could, technically, start a fire. I'm not seeing
> it, nor is he. Are we just uninformed???? We think, by definition,
> endothermic reactions cannot start fires since fire needs heat to be
> added in order to go.
>
> Chele
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Endothermic
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:52:34 EDT
> From: TimPridemore@aol.com
> To: cablem@wfu.edu
>
>
>
> Hey,
>
> Have you ever heard of, or can you envision, an endothermic reaction
> that can start a fire???? The only way I can see that is if one of the
> reactants is combustible. Any thoughts on this???
>
>
> Tim
>
> --
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> but I can usually shut her up with some chocolate!
>
>

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From Paul.Nord@valpo.edu Wed Sep 24 07:18:37 2003
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:01:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: Nord
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Subject: Re: For the Chemists on the list: [Fwd: Endothermic]
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Wouldn't that be an exo-thermic reaction?

Paul

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Richard Berg wrote:

> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:35:31 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Richard Berg
> Reply-To: tap-l@listproc.appstate.edu
> To: tap-l@listproc.appstate.edu
> Subject: Re: For the Chemists on the list: [Fwd: Endothermic]
>
> I am not a chemist, but isn't this what happens if you leave a rag
> saturated with linseed oil in a confined place? I use linseed oil on my
> outdoor lawn furniture, and noticed the warnings about not leaving cloths,
> brushes, etc. soaked with linseed oil around because of the danger of
> spontaneous combustion. I have read some of the warning stuff that comes
> with virtually every chemical (including water!), so I really didn't
> believe that stuff, UNTIL I TRIED IT. Truly frightening. A linseed oil
> soaked rag in a bag actually bursts into flame in a very short time.
>
> Dick Berg
>
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Machele Cable wrote:
>
> > My uncle works in fire safety and has run across someone INSISTING that
> > an endothermic reaction could, technically, start a fire. I'm not seeing
> > it, nor is he. Are we just uninformed???? We think, by definition,
> > endothermic reactions cannot start fires since fire needs heat to be
> > added in order to go.
> >
> > Chele
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Endothermic
> > Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:52:34 EDT
> > From: TimPridemore@aol.com
> > To: cablem@wfu.edu
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey,
> >
> > Have you ever heard of, or can you envision, an endothermic reaction
> > that can start a fire???? The only way I can see that is if one of the
> > reactants is combustible. Any thoughts on this???
> >
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > --
> > ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~
> > Machele Cable Lab Manager Physics WFU
> > Phone: (336) 758-5532 Fax: (336) 758-6142
> > ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~
> > Friends are the Bacon Bits in the salad bowl of life.
> > ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~ - ~
> > There's a thin woman inside of me trying to get out,
> > but I can usually shut her up with some chocolate!
> >
> >
>
> ***********************************************************************
> Dr. Richard E. Berg, Professor of the Practice
> Director, Physics Lecture-Demonstration Facility
> U.S. mail address:
> Department of Physics
> University of Maryland
> College Park, MD 20742-4111
> Phone: (301) 405-5994
> FAX: (301) 314-9525
> e-mail reberg@physics.umd.edu
> www.physics.umd.edu/lecdem
> ***********************************************************************
>
>
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