Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 22:02:43 -0700

Author: Bernard Cleyet

Subject: Re: CHAT WTC discussion.

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Andrew Yue wrote:

> I found Tamim Ansary's op ed piece insightful in that the adversary we face equates to a number that equals many Osama Bin Ladens. Not a comforting thought in my book, but a reality never the less.
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> We are definitely in a stew of our own making, but let us not forget that 6800, plus lives were snuffed out without the benefit of choosing between innocence and guilt. So, where, when and how do a free people take a stand against such terrorist aggression?

This was one point of a previous post -- a weak group of people can only resort to terror -- they don't have a nuclear deterrent
to make them free.


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> There are no easy choices.
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> At one demagogic extreme, Texas's own Senator Phil Gramm seemed to suggest in a speech last week that our armed forces would be unleashed crusade-like rage on Afghanistan. Scary talk from a senator who I believe used five draft deferments to get through school during the 1960's. Our government needs to focus on terrorist cells more than any one nation. There are thousands of Bin Ladens in the world waiting to take his place.

Why not try stopping the state terror, and use diplomacy? Devil Sadam offered to withdraw if Israel would withdraw from Palestine. Bush wouldn't even consider negotiating over this. Now the govt. continues to use their weapon of mass destruction -- depriving Iraq of potable water -- What was it that Albright thought 500K children were worth? If we were half decent there wouldn't be any terrorists.

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> I hope we in the free world work smart, gather real intelligence, make a strong case, find allies in the Islamic world, then find the vulnerabilities of the seven headed hydras, and strike against the perpetuators of terrorists acts.
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> The op ed piece attributed to Mr Ansary shows that if we take a stand against to these self-styled "Islamic freedom fighters," there will be no finality to such a struggle for a very, very long time. This nation has a lot to learn about how to organize a cooperative international effort to contain and beat back terrorist cells.

Chomsky asserts that it is a human characteristic to struggle for freedom. If so the struggle will end only when the world is completely totalitarian -- even then there will be random acts of sabotage.

> The downside is that I worry there will be a new McCarthysim, an erosion of civil liberties that I take for granted and I'll live in a land that spends more on guns than butter for the foreseeable future.

As I wrote, the WTC was our Reichstag and the brown shirts wear suits.

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> For those that abhor violence, sixty some odd years ago a prime minister of a great nation stepped off a plane with a paper document that he stated represented "peace for our time." History has been kinder to Winston Churchill, even after all that befell the U.K. rather than a more civil Neville Chamberlain. We are now faced with a diffuse threat that does not where a uniform or fly the flag of single nation. So far I haven't seen a political leader come forth that is up to the task of prescribing a plan and describing the sacrifice that awaits us if we are to contain then reverse this new terrorist threat.

I recommend the article in the NYer about AJP taylor.


bc

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> More ramblings of an indistinguished army vet in a department of distinguished colleagues that dodged the draft.
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> Regards,
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> A.R. Yue
> U.T. Austin Physics Lecture Demo Office
> [(512) 471-5411] Mon - Fri, 8AM-4PM
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