Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 05:09:44 +0200

Author: Simcha Segev

Subject: RE: empathy

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Bernard,

I really tried, as an Israeli who experienced almost daily consequences of
terror actions, not to mix politics in this terrible act of terrorism on
America and the civilized world but...

You answered to Corrado that the Palestinians are “VICTIMS OF TERRORISM”…are
they???

As I don’t now you, let me jest remind you few facts in brief :

1.. Palestinians have made most terror actions in the United States.
1.. Palestinians and some fanatic and extreme Islamic groups are
responsible for most terror actions in the rest of the western world (except
Japan and Ireland).
1.. In the Middle East, and especially in Israel where I live, The
Palestinians are responsible, and they are proud about it, for all the
terror actions against civilians including children’s and babies. After
every “successful” terror act like the one in the states they, include
school children’s lead by their teachers, celebrating, dancing in the
streets and burning flags of the “small Satan” = Israel and the “big Satan’
= U.S.A.
That’s facts!! And for your remark that “a very few, Palestinians
celebrated”, actually it is not true as a fact but I personally know, That
most of the Palestine’s who live in Israel and in the west bank, prefer to
live in peace and harmony, but unfortunately they are lead by irresponsible,
corrupt and fanatic leaders that lead and encourage them to that kind of
terrorism.

And again, I would like to convey to you and the American people my deepest
condolences express and heartfelt sympathy.

All Israelis stand as one with the American people. Hundreds of people are
coming to the American Embassy and put flowers, candles and signs. There was
an endless stream of Israelis for blood donation, in a few centers that were
opened in Israel for the U.S.; blood will be flown this evening to the USA
with the Israeli Aid delegation. Our hearts are with you.

The fight against terror is international for the entire free and democratic
world against those who would like to destroy our liberty, freedom and
modern way of life. It must be an all-out war!


The world will never be the same again after what happened last Tuesday.
These extreme people are going to affect everybody's life.

Israel declared a day of mourning for the US terror attacks. .Flags at all
government offices were flown at half staff, and the programs on state-owned
radio and television was compatible with the nature of the day.

Me, My family and all the Israeli’s, pray for all the American families that
were hurt in this horrible attack and we wish the wounded people to recover
quickly. We certainly hope that the Bush government will hunt down these
terrorists very soon and punish them. I think some of the group should be
beyond law in order to avoid attacks like this in the future.

Today we are all united against this violent attack and I hope that we will
always be united against fanatic and extreme people.

Your friends in Israel,


********************************************
Simcha Segev - Thecnical Manager
School of Physics and Astronomy
Tel Aviv University
Tel Aviv 69978
ISRAEL
Phone +972 3 640 8077
Fax +972 3 642 9306
e-mail simcha@post.tau.ac.il
URL http://www.tau.ac.il/~simcha/index.htm
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From: owner-tap-l@listproc.appstate.edu
[mailto:owner-tap-l@listproc.appstate.edu]On Behalf Of Bernard Cleyet
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:11 PM
To: tap-l@listproc.appstate.edu
Subject: Re: empathy


Corrado!
I didn't see the images of the celebratory children -- we (bc & GK) don't
"do" wall to wall TV.

Please elaborate.

Thanks,

bc

P.s. I heard some, a very few, Palestinians celebrated -- the vast
majority expressed empathy, as they also are victims of terrorism. Is this
to what you referred?

Corrado Agnes wrote:

dear colleagues,i want to partecipate to the grief of the american
people for this tragedy, driven by hate and fanaticism. what most offended
my human feelings were the images shown by TV of kids celebrating the event.
what most offended my feelings as a teacher was to think to the bad
teachers behind those kids. what most offended my feelings as a science
teacher was the following phantasy i had: with high probability both killers
and victims in the last minute of their lives invoked the same God, the God
of Isaac and Ismael and Jesus. Corrado

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I really tried, as an
Israeli who experienced almost daily consequences of terror actions, not to mix
politics in this terrible act of terrorism on America and the civilized world
but...


You answered to Corrado that
the Palestinians are “VICTIMS OF TERRORISM”…are they???


As I don’t now you, let me
jest remind you few facts in brief :



  1. style="mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt"> style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Palestinians have made most terror actions in the
    United States.


  1. style="mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt"> style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Palestinians and some fanatic and extreme Islamic
    groups are responsible for most terror actions in the rest of the western
    world (except Japan and Ireland).
    style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 


  1. style="mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt"> style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In the Middle East, and especially in Israel where
    I live, The Palestinians are responsible, and they are proud about it, for all
    the terror actions against civilians including children’s and babies. After
    every “successful” terror act like the one in the states they, include school
    children’s lead by their teachers, celebrating, dancing in the streets and
    burning flags of the “small Satan” = Israel and the “big Satan’ = U.S.A. style="mso-spacerun: yes"> 

  style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">That’s facts!! And for your remark that “a very few,
Palestinians celebrated”, actually it is not true as a fact but I personally
know, That most of the Palestine’s who live in Israel and in the west bank,
prefer to live in peace and harmony, but
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-language: EN-US">unfortunately style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> they are lead by irresponsible, corrupt and fanatic
leaders that lead and encourage them to that kind of
terrorism.


  style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">And again, I would like to convey to you and the
American people my deepest condolences express and heartfelt
sympathy.


All Israelis stand as one
with the American people. Hundreds of people are coming to the American Embassy
and put flowers, candles and signs. There was an endless stream of Israelis for
blood donation, in a few centers that were opened in Israel for the U.S.; blood
will be flown this evening to the USA with the Israeli Aid delegation. Our
hearts are with you.

The fight against terror is international for the
entire free and democratic world against those who would like to destroy our
liberty, freedom and modern way of life. It must be an all-out war!
style="mso-special-character: line-break">
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: HE">


style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-language: HE; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: HE">The
world will never be the same again after what happened last Tuesday. These
extreme people are going to affect everybody's life.

Israel declared a
day of mourning for the US terror attacks. .Flags at all government offices were
flown at half staff, and the programs on state-owned radio and television was
compatible with the nature of the day.

Me, My family and all the
Israeli’s, pray for all the American families that were hurt in this horrible
attack and we wish the wounded people to recover quickly. We certainly hope that
the Bush government will hunt down these terrorists very soon and punish them. I
think some of the group should be beyond law in order to avoid attacks like this
in the future.

Today we are all united against this violent attack and I
hope that we will always be united against fanatic and extreme
people.

Your friends in Israel,


 

********************************************
Simcha Segev -
Thecnical Manager
School of Physics and Astronomy 
Tel Aviv
University 
Tel Aviv 69978
ISRAEL
Phone  
    +972 3 640 8077
Fax    
    +972 3 642 9306
e-mail   
simcha@post.tau.ac.il
URL   href="http://www.tau.ac.il/~simcha/index.htm"
target=_blank>http://www.tau.ac.il/~simcha/index.htm

********************************************



size=2>-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-tap-l@listproc.appstate.edu
[mailto:owner-tap-l@listproc.appstate.edu]On Behalf Of Bernard
Cleyet
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:11 PM
To:
tap-l@listproc.appstate.edu
Subject: Re:
empathy

Corrado!

I didn't see the images of the celebratory children -- we (bc & GK)
don't "do" wall to wall TV.

Please elaborate.

Thanks,

bc

P.s.  I heard some, a very few, Palestinians celebrated -- the vast
majority expressed empathy, as they also are victims of terrorism.  Is
this to what you referred?

Corrado Agnes wrote:



dear colleagues,i want to partecipate to
the grief of the american people for this tragedy, driven by hate and
fanaticism.
 what most offended my human feelings
were the images shown by TV of kids celebrating the event.
  size=-1>what most offended my  feelings as a teacher was to think to
the bad teachers  behind those kids.
  size=-1>what most offended my feelings as a science teacher was the
following phantasy i had: with high probability both killers and victims in
the last minute of their lives invoked the same God, the God of Isaac and
Ismael and Jesus.
  size=-1>Corrado


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